Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Sascha Luck [ml] via db-wg wrote: > Not allowing > "foreign" resources in the ripedb denies the reality that there > will always be RIPE-allocated prefixes originated from > non-RIPE-assigned ASNs and vice versa. Not true - you can easily run a whois query on whois.radb.net s

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Clement Cavadore via db-wg wrote: > That one, but with a *strong* enhancement on a trust model for such > objects. We just cannot simply allow non-ripe route objects to be > inserted in the db without any legitimity checks. there is no way which non-ripe route objects can be

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread Gert Doering via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Hi, On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 03:48:43PM +0200, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > Question - Should the RIPE Database allow creation of ROUTE objects for non > RIPE resources? I wonder if this is the right question to ask, or we should step back and ask the question what ca

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread Hank Nussbacher via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- On 09/10/2017 18:22, denis walker via db-wg wrote: C -Hank --- End Message ---

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread Alexander Stranzky via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- personal opinion: I don't care as a programmer. company's opinion: A - all our network resources are routed solely through our RIPE-AutNum. -- velia.net Internetdienste GmbH * Hessen-Homburg-Platz 1 * D-63452 Hanau Geschäftsführer: Franz G. Köhler, Arek Akilli * AG Hanau *

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread Clement Cavadore via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Hello Denis, WG On Mon, 2017-10-09 at 15:49 +0200, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > A: Yes the RIPE Database should allow creation of ROUTE objects for > non RIPE resources. If this is the answer then we can look at how to > make the data more trusting in the short term (and t

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread Sascha Luck [ml] via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Denis, On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 02:49:39PM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote: Question - Should the RIPE Database allow creation of ROUTE objects for non RIPE resources? A: Yes the RIPE Database should allow creation of ROUTE objects for non RIPE resources. If this is the

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread Lu Heng via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- A On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 21:48 denis walker via db-wg wrote: > Colleagues > > This has been discussed many times with many views expressed. We are sure > lots of you are bored with commenting on this issue. Unfortunately no > consensus has yet been found. So we would like t

[db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-09 Thread denis walker via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Colleagues This has been discussed many times with many views expressed. We are sure lots of you are bored with commenting on this issue. Unfortunately no consensus has yet been found. So we would like to take it back to the basic question and see if we can get a conclusiv