Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-11 Thread George Michaelson via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- I think its time to stop disrespecting external source of authority on this. You argued for a position based on the desire of RIPE entities needing to import foreign objects into their RPSL But you did not address the far larger body of people who are exposed to risks from

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-11 Thread Job Snijders via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 at 16:52, Sascha Luck [ml] via db-wg wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:30:06AM -0300, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > >IMHO, any idea that starts with “Let´s create a central X” is doomed from > the start. > > > >We must think along other

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-11 Thread Sascha Luck [ml] via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:30:06AM -0300, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: IMHO, any idea that starts with ???Let??s create a central X??? is doomed from the start. We must think along other lines. Maybe "central" was the wrong word to use. Think a DB that every RIR provides a

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-11 Thread Carlos M. Martinez via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- IMHO, any idea that starts with “Let´s create a central X” is doomed from the start. We must think along other lines. /Carlos On 11 Oct 2017, at 11:21, Sascha Luck [ml] via db-wg wrote: From: Sascha Luck [ml]

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-11 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > How does this fact falsify the fact that cross-RIR route: objects > exist? Those have to be in *some* irrdb and as long as a > cross-RIR irrdb doesn't exist, part of the data will be > non-authenticated... it doesn't say anything about cross-RIR

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-11 Thread Randy Bush via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- > Also, what would the distinguisher be for eg. a route: with prefix > from RIPE and ASN from ARIN? thanks to the inability to inter-region transfer as-nums, that is exactly my situation :) randy --- End Message ---

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-11 Thread Sascha Luck [ml] via db-wg
--- Begin Message --- On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 02:46:54PM +0100, Nick Hilliard via db-wg wrote: Job Snijders wrote: I think this touches upon an incredibly important question: how do we distinguish between garbage and properly authenticated "route:" objects covering RIPE-managed space? and