Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-18 Thread Job Snijders via db-wg
Dear Sandra, Thank you for this overview. You have cleared some of the mists of time and I am appreciative for that. It appears that over time, the 'root' of the conceptual model shifted from the AS holder to the IP space holder. Interesting. Kind regards, Job On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 07:37:47

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-18 Thread Sandra Murphy via db-wg
> On Oct 17, 2017, at 4:08 PM, den is via db-wg wrote: > > Hi Colleagues > > Rob is correct, option 1 has been proposed before and it was opposed. > Whilst neither supporting nor opposing anyone's views let me ask a > couple of questions. I think these questions need addressing even if > it is

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-18 Thread Randy Bush via db-wg
>> why not go the other, more positive, direction, and identify authorised >> data with RIPE-AUTH or whatever? no need to be pejorative. > > s/RIPE-NONAUTH/RIPE-OTHERRIR/ can there be cases where the source is not an rir? rfc1918 for example? s/RIPE-NONAUTH/JOB-HATES/ :) randy

Re: [db-wg] violation of DB T&C by DB-WG co-chair, is it acceptable?

2017-10-18 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
Bill, a single issue has been addressed in your email, relating to the RIPE NCC's actions in dealing with a violation of the RIPE DB T&Cs. The core issue of the complaint, namely the actions of one of the WG co-chairs, remains completely unaddressed. Can you kindly inform the working group wheth

Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?

2017-10-18 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
Randy Bush via db-wg wrote: > why not go the other, more positive, direction, and identify authorised > data with RIPE-AUTH or whatever? no need to be pejorative. s/RIPE-NONAUTH/RIPE-OTHERRIR/ Nick

Re: [db-wg] violation of DB T&C by DB-WG co-chair, is it acceptable?

2017-10-18 Thread Randy Bush via db-wg
>> this is a brilliant exercise to see how far the community will bend over >> in pseudo-politeness while it is being slimed and abused. > > I am nothing if not polite! > > I've been through this before, it's far from pleasant, but I'd hoped > the community had learned from my mistakes on talking

Re: [db-wg] violation of DB T&C by DB-WG co-chair, is it acceptable?

2017-10-18 Thread Brian Nisbet via db-wg
Randy Bush via db-wg wrote on 17/10/2017 18:25: this is a brilliant exercise to see how far the community will bend over in pseudo-politeness while it is being slimed and abused. I am nothing if not polite! I've been through this before, it's far from pleasant, but I'd hoped the community ha