Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-27 Thread Tassia Camoes Araujo
Hi Brian and Martin, and team, On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 02:27:06PM +, Martín Ferrari wrote: On 25/02/15 14:53, Brian Gupta wrote: [...] P.S. - I am little frustrated that it seems from the overall trend in the conversation, that the choices of those that choose to include meat in

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Brian Gupta brian.gu...@brandorr.com [2015-02-25 15:53 +0100]: Since Debian is a culturally diverse organization, it would be impossible to cater this to individual omnivores, so I would argue, that we should aim for local norms. Yes, that is what we'll be doing: the youth hostel

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Giacomo Catenazzi c...@debian.org [2015-02-25 09:52 +0100]: No. Having no default is not acceptable for registration people. It cause us to send many many mails to remember people to set something sensible. As others have pointed out: unless a choice is made, the

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-25 Thread Santiago Ruano Rincón
El 25/02/15 a las 09:52, Giacomo Catenazzi escribió: On 25.02.2015 07:53, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Santiago Ruano Rincón santi...@debian.org [2015-02-24 23:41 +0100]: santiago what about not having a default about food? the diet field could be mandatory, with an empty option

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-25 Thread Philip Hands
Giacomo Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes: On 25.02.2015 07:53, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Santiago Ruano Rincón santi...@debian.org [2015-02-24 23:41 +0100]: santiago what about not having a default about food? the diet field could be mandatory, with an empty option by default ...

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-25 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
On 25.02.2015 07:53, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Santiago Ruano Rincón santi...@debian.org [2015-02-24 23:41 +0100]: santiago what about not having a default about food? the diet field could be mandatory, with an empty option by default ... santiago a real *-tagged field I think

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-24 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Tue 2015-02-24 15:06:57 -0500, Margarita Manterola wrote: I agree with what has already been posted that None is a very bad idea that it doesn't really convey the meaning. It should be explicit, i.e. Ovo-lacto vegetarian, no None or similar in the string. Please, whatever is decided, let's

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.net [2015-02-24 22:36 +0100]: The concern that i raised at the start of this discussion is that this array of answers basically encourages people to appear to demand meat and fish, even if they don't particularly want or desire meat or fish

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au [2015-02-23 03:25 +0100]: given there's a meat+fish option, I'd probably read Food preferences: None as Don't give me any food, I'll go elsewhere; or maybe I'll eat anything and expect it to be the same as the same as the meat+fish option. If it

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-23 Thread Bernelle Verster
Hi I'm just reading this to pick up for DC16... It may be helpful to think, what do you REALLY want to know, and could you ask that? How about a tick box, would you mind/agree to eat vegetarian meals (no meat/fish - you choose the words here) for the official/provided conference meals? If not,

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net [2015-02-22 23:39 +0100]: I have ... difficult ... food allergies that I contend with, and I find that vegetarian dishes by and large conflict with my restricted diet consistently (onions, mushrooms and garbanzo beans). Dear Patty, it is my

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-23 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: * other: text field Make that allergies. We do want to accommodate Patty. We do not want to accommodate the cookie monster or LCA's bacon man. Richard ___

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-23 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:11 PM, martin f krafft madd...@debconf.org wrote: Food preferences: None I like to eat meat and fish No animal products for me (vegan, strict vegetarian) Other / allergies (contact organisers) After some more thought, I think this phrasing would

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-23 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
On 21.02.2015 16:11, martin f krafft wrote: At the same time, I think we could try to avoid speaking about vegetarians and vegans as restricted, which has a bit of a negative connotation, or so I've been told numerous times now. Why? It is a restriction of food choice. All of us have food

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-22 Thread Patty Langasek
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 07:06:18AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com [2015-02-21 22:38 +0100]: None That means whatever the YH wants to cook, meat or not? This is why I think we should add prose and explain that the baseline by

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-22 Thread Patty Langasek
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 09:06:54PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: While I think there are some (sport club) restaurants nearby, I would not count on them being open, especially not during the day. So: yes, it's mostly the youth hostel, which is why we've been working hard with them to ensure a

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net [2015-02-22 19:44 +0100]: Remembering back to the bid, it seems that the youth hostel was somewhat isolated from other places. Does this mean that food options are going to be limited to the youth hostel then (similar to DC13), or will we be able

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On 22 February 2015 at 01:11, martin f krafft madd...@debconf.org wrote: How about making the choices be: Food preferences: None I like to eat meat and fish No animal products for me (vegan, strict vegetarian) Other / allergies (contact organisers) ​FWIW, given there's a

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-21 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com [2015-02-21 22:38 +0100]: None That means whatever the YH wants to cook, meat or not? This is why I think we should add prose and explain that the baseline by the youth hostel will be vegetarian. I like to eat meat and

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-21 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach martin f krafft madd...@debconf.org [2015-02-07 13:44 +0100]: I think we need to address it as proposed by Gaudenz: we should really discuss the issues with the cooks and find with them a good solution, possibly starting with Micah solution. We are going to meet with them this

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-21 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:11 PM, martin f krafft madd...@debconf.org wrote: None That means whatever the YH wants to cook, meat or not? I like to eat meat and fish That means every day? Or is that a control variable for the above? Richard

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-07 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
On 07 Feb 2015, at 05:36, Tassia Camoes Araujo tas...@acaia.ca wrote: On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 01:13:00PM -0500, micah anderson wrote: So, yes, I think the framing problem is important here, but the real problem is that the negotiations with food providers should be approached from a

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Giacomo Catenazzi c...@cateee.net [2015-02-07 10:28 +0100]: I think we need to address it as proposed by Gaudenz: we should really discuss the issues with the cooks and find with them a good solution, possibly starting with Micah solution. We are going to meet with them this week

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-06 Thread Tassia Camoes Araujo
On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 01:13:00PM -0500, micah anderson wrote: So, yes, I think the framing problem is important here, but the real problem is that the negotiations with food providers should be approached from a different perspective. Asking them to provide gluten friendly, ovo-lacto

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-06 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Martín Ferrari tin...@tincho.org writes: On 05/02/15 18:49, Gunnar Wolf wrote: I think this is right(er), although still pointless IMO. I do not believe (most) people expect to eat meat at every meal. I think it would be easier to agree with our caterer to provide meat for approximately

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-06 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Fri 2015-02-06 04:21:15 -0500, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: I think this is the right approach to the problem Daniel (dkg) was worried about in his reply. Finding the right proportion of vegetarian food will be an iterative process. I suggest to start with a proportion of vegetarian which seems

[Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 02/05/2015 02:29 AM, Martín Ferrari wrote: On 04/02/15 22:59, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Could frame this differently? The normal framing (above) often ends up with an assumption that everyone must eat meat, with only a limited set-aside for vegetarians. This results in overconsumption

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Thu 2015-02-05 03:13:46 -0500, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: On 02/05/2015 02:29 AM, Martín Ferrari wrote: While I am in the group that sometimes wished they could eat the vegetarian dish, because it looked tastier, or because they wanted to skip meat one day, I really don't agree with your

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.net writes: On Thu 2015-02-05 03:13:46 -0500, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: On 02/05/2015 02:29 AM, Martín Ferrari wrote: While I am in the group that sometimes wished they could eat the vegetarian dish, because it looked tastier, or because they wanted to

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Kahn Gillmor dijo [Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 11:25:37AM -0500]: While I am in the group that sometimes wished they could eat the vegetarian dish, because it looked tastier, or because they wanted to skip meat one day, I really don't agree with your proposal. Can you think of a better

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread Eric Dantan Rzewnicki
On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 07:27:30PM +0100, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: Hi everybody El 05/02/15 a las 17:25, Daniel Kahn Gillmor escribió: I would change the perspective: tell cooks the things they can add to the menu. What about this proposal? Diet: - Not applicable - Vegan

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread Laura Arjona Reina
Hi everybody El 05/02/15 a las 17:25, Daniel Kahn Gillmor escribió: So i'm amending my earlier proposal to this: Dietary restrictions: - Not applicable - No dietary restrictions Default - Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian (dairy and eggs OK) - Vegan (strict vegetarian)

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread micah anderson
Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.net writes: On Thu 2015-02-05 03:13:46 -0500, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: On 02/05/2015 02:29 AM, Martín Ferrari wrote: While I am in the group that sometimes wished they could eat the vegetarian dish, because it looked tastier, or because they wanted to

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread Martín Ferrari
On 05/02/15 18:49, Gunnar Wolf wrote: I think this is right(er), although still pointless IMO. I do not believe (most) people expect to eat meat at every meal. I think it would be easier to agree with our caterer to provide meat for approximately half of the days. I don't think it'd be seen

Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]

2015-02-05 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Thu 2015-02-05 13:47:14 -0500, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: I fail to see why you think that the current proposed wording of no dietary restrictions implies that every meal will have meat. I think this because i've seen it happen very often. Many conference meals i've been at include explicit