Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: It also sounds a bit weird if you want to support the conference but not pay for the costs of your food and accomodation. If you only want to pay part of your costs you can still apply for sponored food and accomodation and

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
On 23.01.2013 11:14, gregor herrmann wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:17:41 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: I wonder if it would not simplify things if there would be some other status of attendee that is not called professional but simply covers its very own costs. Isn't that non-sponsored, i.e.

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
So replying myself, a proposal with real numbers adapting OdyX first draft. Food: - sponsored food - food (40 CHF/day, 320/week) - no organized food (Attention: no restaurant/shop on short walking distance) and for accommodation - sponsored accommodation (big rooms, sleeping bag, free) -

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: By this I mean that if you register as a professional attendee (and pay the fee) you also have to pay for food and accomodation for those days you actually want sleep and/or eat at Le Camp. One should not be able to register as

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Philipp Hug
Hi Philipp, It'll still be just one invoice. Food/Accomodation/Conference. Do you really think this is a problem to get reimbursed? Philipp On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: By this I mean

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 01/23/2013 08:08 PM, Philipp Kern wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: By this I mean that if you register as a professional attendee (and pay the fee) you also have to pay for food and accomodation for those days you actually want sleep and/or eat at Le

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 03:03:11PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Yes that's right. IMO the professional attendence fee should include neither food nor accomodation. It's just for attending the conference and completely voluntary. ... For professional attendees my idea of completely

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-22 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu writes: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 03:03:11PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Yes that's right. IMO the professional attendence fee should include neither food nor accomodation. It's just for attending the conference and completely voluntary. ... For

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 19 janvier 2013 21.10:23, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: I think (but without much conviction) that the professional fee should include accomodation in non-dormitories beds. By doing that we must also put the focus on the fact that

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 20 janvier 2013 14.47:06, Moray Allan a écrit : On 2013-01-20 10:58, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: As I understand your proposal, this is essentially fully decoupling hosting and conference attendance, right? Yes, that's what we decided to try (again) this year, after some years

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-20 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Le samedi, 19 janvier 2013 21.10:23, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: I think (but without much conviction) that the professional fee should include accomodation in non-dormitories beds. By doing that we

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-19 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Hi all, thanks Gaudenz for this proposal! Thanks for reviving the discussion. Le mardi, 15 janvier 2013 23.01:12, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : * How should the bed selling work in conjunction with the professional fee? It was suggested

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi all, thanks Gaudenz for this proposal! Le mardi, 15 janvier 2013 23.01:12, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : * Do we want to sell the better beds at all? While some of us would like to keep money completely out of DebConf provided accomodation nobody has come up with an alternative proposal yet.

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-18 Thread Philip Hands
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: ... The best solution seems to ask potential groups (attendee + relatives) to book early and then inform them at a later (but not too late) date if it's okay or not. What are they supposed to do with the now-useless airline tickets if we tell them

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 18 janvier 2013 14.39:22, Philip Hands a écrit : Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: The best solution seems to ask potential groups (attendee + relatives) to book early and then inform them at a later (but not too late) date if it's okay or not. What are they

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 17 janvier 2013 13.33:47, Daniel Pocock a écrit : A few other ideas come to mind: - One single room to be awarded to the sponsorship team as an incentive for best fundraiser - One single room as a reward for the 'runner up' in the Debconf14 contest, as an extra incentive to

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-17 Thread Philipp Hug
I don't think we should distribute the room according to what someone does or did for Debian/DebConf. This will only cause problems and adds a lot of bureaucracy. I'd prefer a combination of simple allocation policies like: 'first come, first serve' and pricing. And I agree with Didier, that

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-17 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 17/01/13 15:27, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le jeudi, 17 janvier 2013 13.33:47, Daniel Pocock a écrit : A few other ideas come to mind: - One single room to be awarded to the sponsorship team as an incentive for best fundraiser - One single room as a reward for the 'runner up' in the

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 17 janvier 2013 18.54:43, Daniel Pocock a écrit : On 17/01/13 15:27, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I think all these three ideas are terribly wrong: we would be using our DebConf privileges to push insider goals: why would put Penta into retirement give a single room but released