Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in all kinds of places, and nobody is working on fixing them yet. Also, MATE+Compiz

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread john doe
On 2/8/2019 6:07 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello, > > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern > for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in > all kinds of places, and

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Samuel, On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern > for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in > all

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:39:39 +0100, a ecrit: > What about Orca? > The last time I checked Mate, it wasn't as usable as 'Debian desktop > environment' (Gnome). When was that time? A lot of things happened on the Mate side :) Samuel

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Holger Levsen, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 17:42:42 +, a ecrit: > On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide > > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern > > for acce

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread john doe
On 2/8/2019 6:45 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:39:39 +0100, a ecrit: >> What about Orca? >> The last time I checked Mate, it wasn't as usable as 'Debian desktop >> environment' (Gnome). > > When was that time? > A lot of things happened on the Mate side :) > A fie

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread john doe
On 2/8/2019 7:25 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 19:09:39 +0100, a ecrit: >> On 2/8/2019 6:47 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: >>> Holger Levsen, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 17:42:42 +, a ecrit: On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Re-open

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 19:43:22 +0100, a ecrit: > On 2/8/2019 7:25 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 19:09:39 +0100, a ecrit: > >> On 2/8/2019 6:47 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > >>> Holger Levsen, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 17:42:42 +, a ecrit: > On Fri, Feb

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Didier Spaier
On 08/02/2019 19:24, john doe wrote: > Do you have any pointers on where I can find what happened in Mate with > regard to blindness? Well I am not Samuel, but I will give my answers ;) First of all, you'd need to have compiz-reloaded version 8-16, released two months ago to get all the enhacemen

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Mewtamer
Checking Aptitude, libgtk-3-0 depends on libwayland-client, and Firefox depends on libgtk-3-0 and Orca has libwayland-client and libgtk-3-0 somewhere in its dependency chains. I don't run a full desktop environment, but as these are the only graphical programs I run, I suspect most, if not all, cur

Re: Gnome settings hangs orca

2019-02-08 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes: Samuel> Hello, Sam Hartman, le mer. 16 janv. 2019 08:04:33 -0500, a Samuel> ecrit: >> Orca announces the settings frame, but fails to interact with it. Samuel> Does orca announce anything when going around with Samuel> shortcuts? (on

Re: Gnome settings hangs orca

2019-02-08 Thread Jason White
On 2/8/19 3:51 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: I wanted to follow up on this. It appears to be a couple of related things going on: 1) The wifi widget consumes a lot of CPU especially when it is selected. NetworkManager usually appears high on my top(1) listing, but I haven't noticed the applet. (I

Re: Gnome settings hangs orca

2019-02-08 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:51 PM Sam Hartman wrote: > 2) Since stretch, the UI of the settings panel has been significantly > redone. It looks like there is a list of possible task areas along the > side. There doesn't seem to be good keyboard navigation to get into > that list; it doesn't appear

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:07 PM Samuel Thibault wrote: > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern > for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in > all kinds of places, and

Re: Gnome settings hangs orca

2019-02-08 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Jason" == Jason White writes: Jason> If it's a bug, then it's a fairly serious one from an Jason> accessibility point of view, and the maintainers really Jason> should put in place a strategy for preventing this kind of Jason> regression from entering a release. To be clea

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jeremy Bicha, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:57:30 -0500, a ecrit: > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:07 PM Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide > > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern > > for accessibility. Accessi

Re: default desktop

2019-02-08 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote: > As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for > accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of > default desktop for Debian indeed. IIRC one of the reasons for the > choice of gnome was its general accessibi