Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 19:33:22 +0100, a ecrit: > Actually, creating a new cd iso that would have accessibility in mind > could be one option. > > EG: > > debian-10.3-accessibility-netinst.iso Yes, but I don't think it is a good option. For most impact, it's better to make the standard

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 12:24:05PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: >Another possibility could be to have the installer check for a monitor >and if no monitor is connected, turn on a screen reader. That's not a valid assumption necessarily - what about on machines where a serial console is the default

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
Another possibility could be to have the installer check for a monitor and if no monitor is connected, turn on a screen reader. On Mon, 2 Mar 2020, john doe wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 11:24:48 > From: john doe > To: Rich Morin , debian-b...@lists.debian.org, > debian-accessibility@lists.

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Mewtamer, le lun. 02 mars 2020 16:36:02 +, a ecrit: > 1. At present, Raspbian enables ssh by creating a blank file called > ssh in the boot partition and then booting the card. Could a similar > method be used for enabling accessibility? Probably. The details are probably to be seen with them

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Mewtamer
I know this should probably be discussed on the Official Raspberry Foundation mailing list if such a thing exists, but a few thoughts: 1. At present, Raspbian enables ssh by creating a blank file called ssh in the boot partition and then booting the card. Could a similar method be used for enablin

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:24:48 +0100, a ecrit: > On 3/2/2020 5:13 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100, a ecrit: > >> Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired > >> would go a lon way. > > > > But we don't necessarily want

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread john doe
On 3/2/2020 5:13 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100, a ecrit: >> Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired >> would go a lon way. > > But we don't necessarily want to ask the question on all Debian systems > at all boot. > > I'm no

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100, a ecrit: > Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired > would go a lon way. But we don't necessarily want to ask the question on all Debian systems at all boot. I'm not saying that there is no solution. I'm saying that it's

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jude DaShiell, le lun. 02 mars 2020 11:03:28 -0500, a ecrit: > Apple solved this problem back in 2006. On the desktop, yes. Here we are talking about an embedded device. > That was when Mac OS Tiger 10.4 > became available. What Apple did was to put a message asking for > language to be used on

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread john doe
On 3/2/2020 4:57 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Rich Morin, le lun. 02 mars 2020 07:40:42 -0800, a ecrit: >> In another forum, I've been told that Orca is a rather heavyweight solution >> for providing boot-time speech generation. It was recommended that I >> consider Fenrir, instead. > > Fenrir i

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Jude DaShiell
Apple solved this problem back in 2006. That was when Mac OS Tiger 10.4 became available. What Apple did was to put a message asking for language to be used on the screen for about 10 seconds I think. If that message didn't get a keyboard response then VoiceOver got turned on since Apple figured

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Rich Morin, le lun. 02 mars 2020 07:40:42 -0800, a ecrit: > In another forum, I've been told that Orca is a rather heavyweight solution > for providing boot-time speech generation. It was recommended that I > consider Fenrir, instead. Fenrir is also quite heavy-weight, since it brings python. B

Re: boot-time accessibility issues

2020-03-02 Thread Rich Morin
In another forum, I've been told that Orca is a rather heavyweight solution for providing boot-time speech generation. It was recommended that I consider Fenrir, instead. So, recasting my question, what would it take to make these changes to the default Debian installation? - include Fenrir,