The screen command will be your friend if you study it and learn to write
a good .screenrc file.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, john doe wrote:
> On 12/31/2021 2:37 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
> >> I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I worry
> >> about having to memorize a bunch of
nmcli is in the network-manager package. Once the package is downloaded,
network-manager has to be started before nmcli and nmtui can be used.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, john doe wrote:
> On 12/31/2021 6:51 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > Debian desperately needs a console network manager like Slackw
On 12/31/2021 6:51 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
Debian desperately needs a console network manager like Slackware's nmcli
Actually, I have set up a bridge using 'nmcli' on Bullseye.
--
John Doe
the 2 I know of are nmcli and iwctl
On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 7:01 AM john doe wrote:
> On 12/31/2021 2:37 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
> >> I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I
> worry about having to memorize a bunch of commands to do things. in a
> graphical program, I
On 12/31/2021 2:37 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I worry about
having to memorize a bunch of commands to do things. in a graphical program, I
can use keyboard commands to get around it mostly. Is this available in
console programs? Al
Debian desperately needs a console network manager like Slackware's nmcli
or nmtui which is curses but easier to use if you have some sight. Debian
Bullseye has ceni which is excellent for managing networks including WiFi
networks.
I have problems remembering all the ifup commands to do it comple
That is why when you are just starting out on the console, and you know how to
set up speak up, the keyboard shortcuts for that only require you to hold down
the caps lock key by default, when ever I do an install I always turn the
volume up with caps lock and 2 to turn up the volume, but as a
Even with console applications, there are various toolkits that allow
for the creation of pseudo-GUIs and many such applications do have a
number of keyboard commands, though they don't always adhere to the
conventions shared by most GUI applications(e.g. in the Nano text
editor, save is ctrl+o, no
Mike,
When using a console at least four more consoles are available for simultaneous
use. I can use one, then use
Alt+Left Arrow (or Alt+Right Arrow) to go to the next console.
I just use console for either email using either mutt (as I am doing now) or
alpine, or for browsing the web
using
Well, Mike, I will hopefully answer both your questions. #1 I think there are
ways of creating menus based on LYNX the browser, similar to what Universities
made for students or visitors. #2 You can also use LYNX to browse or read files
on your local drive. So as an example, if you were to type
> I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I worry
> about having to memorize a bunch of commands to do things. in a graphical
> program, I can use keyboard commands to get around it mostly. Is this
> available in console programs? Also, how can I have the documentation
Didier,
I didn't understand this:
"I agree that nobody should have to choose between a text interface and a
> graphical one (and between Braille and speech). As an aside mpv is
> perfectly
> able to display videos in a console, but I digress."
I'm guessing you might be saying nobody should be f
I meant "as the tune is only played"
On 31/12/2021 01:57, Didier Spaier wrote:
> it actually creates a sub-menu per boot entry, as the tune is
> only pressed when you press Enter.
Hi Chime,
indeed GRUB can play tunes. I am guilty of a program making use of that to
create and edit a boot menu, boot entries from top to bottom getting one more
note. Only caveat: it actually creates a sub-menu per boot entry, as the tune is
only pressed when you press Enter.
I called it
The best virtualization software in my opinion is Qemu, especially wrt sound
thus speech.
Cheers,
Didier
On 30/12/2021 19:15, Jordan Livesey wrote:
> I have tried one time but was unable to get speech output and was using a
> virtual machine due to my machine being a secure boot system, the debia
Martin, you made my day with your story about the 6800-base microcomputer.
I used a microcomputer for the first time circa 1978 (not sure an Olivetti
Programma 101 with external magnetic cards to store programs and data that I
used previously would be considered a computer nowadays).
This machine
Well Martin-and-All, considering a PC-speaker gives a boop when a boot menu
appears, couldn't more be done to take advantage of that? I mean, at very
least, have different amount of beeps as we up-and-down arrow. Obviously for
Hams, CW would be an option, but I don't know what any actual words w
I've been following this sometimes-difficult discussion intently
as it goes to the heart of what computer users who happen to be
blind deal with on a daily basis especially when things go wrong.
How much insult can your working environment take before you
simply can't rescue what's there without ei
Jeffery Mewtamer, le jeu. 30 déc. 2021 20:50:07 +, a ecrit:
> I read comments like "Press s and enter",
That's all you'd need to know.
> all I'm hearing is that Blind people need to know something about the
> install media sighted people can be comfortably ignorant of.
[...]
> it arguably inc
I read comments like "Press s and enter", "press a and enter then s
and enter", "press down arrow 5 times and enter", and all I'm hearing
is that Blind people need to know something about the install media
sighted people can be comfortably ignorant of.
This strikes me as backwards and as the kind
On 12/30/2021 8:37 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
Hello John,
There was a method - I believe a letter used during installation that
provided logs, but I can't find how to get to it.
I'll give Debian 11.1 one more try since I didn't know the switch or method
which I did use in the past, I've just f
I just put in the DVD and it's Debian 11.2.0 amd64 1 not 11.1. I don't
even know if I tried 11.1 but I tried 11.0 and it didn't work and 11.2
doesn't work.
I'm going to try "a" and see if in Advanced Mode it lets me save the errors.
Best to all,
David
Hello John,
There was a method - I believe a letter used during installation that
provided logs, but I can't find how to get to it.
I'll give Debian 11.1 one more try since I didn't know the switch or method
which I did use in the past, I've just forgotten.
Is it "a" for advanced? and then it is
Jordan Livesey, le jeu. 30 déc. 2021 19:16:39 +, a ecrit:
> all I need to do is arrow down 5 times,
Yes, but possibly Debian could introduce newer items. Alternatively you
can use the end key since the speech entry is last.
But really, s enter should really just work. If it doesn't it's a bug
all I need to do is arrow down 5 times, and it starts speaking the message,
type enter to use this sound board, I've memorised the installation at this
point so know which language location and debian archive mirror I want
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:52 PM Samuel Thibault
wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021, Jordan Livesey wrote:
> Have you tried pressing the down arrow 5 times when on the boot menu of
> Debian 11? Some how, pressing s no longer works for some people
I am not aware of any bug report about this. The precise ISO image that
was used needs to be told so we can check
On 30 Dec 2021, at 18:28, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
If I install with Debian 10 installation media, then change the
/etc/apt/sources.list everything works as it should, my sound card is correctly
detected, and I have screen reader during installation, I have screen reader
when booting into Debi
It's a bit more complex than that now.
First press a on the boot prompt then hit enter.
then press s on the continued boot prompt.
then press x on the boot prompt and then hit enter and listen to what
happens.
Likely speech comes up along with a numbered menu which is what the expert
mode presents.
Have you tried pressing the down arrow 5 times when on the boot menu of Debian
11? Some how, pressing s no longer works for some people
> On 30 Dec 2021, at 18:28, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>
> If I install with Debian 10 installation media, then change the
> /etc/apt/sources.list everything wor
Mac auto correct again, god I hate this feature, was talking about UEFI
> On 30 Dec 2021, at 18:21, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>
> Jordan,
>
> Your post makes very little sense to me. I don't know what "refi system"
> means. Also unless my memory is incorrect, Debian comes up with a screen
> re
If I install with Debian 10 installation media, then change the
/etc/apt/sources.list everything works as it should, my sound card is
correctly detected, and I have screen reader during installation, I have
screen reader when booting into Debian and I can use the MATE Graphical
Environment as my us
Jordan,
Your post makes very little sense to me. I don't know what "refi system"
means. Also unless my memory is incorrect, Debian comes up with a screen
reader and tells you what to do to install it. If it doesn't it should,
but I believe that has already been done.
Earlier I had made comments
I have tried one time but was unable to get speech output and was using a
virtual machine due to my machine being a secure boot system, the debian
installer is my favorite text based installer but I like how features are
being borrowed from it, I've yet to do a debian installation video on
youtube
The Slint installer borrows at least one feature from the Debian installer: the
way sound cards are probed just after booting, to find a working one (thanks
Samuel).
More generally, sharing ideas and features between distribution benefit users of
all of them. Trying to find which one is the best i
now that that is all cleared up I've been wanting to become a serious
musician on linux and in debian in particular, however up to now I've found
no sequencers that only support midi and support midi input via computer
keyboard, I've been unable to get lmms to work with midi and the only other
acce
Jordan,
gmail is a provider, you can always delete previous messages, as I have
just done.
Please stay on topic, and unless your postings are related in some way to
accessibility submit them to the Thunderbird list (your comment about
changing the personal name) or here about a non-sequitur diver
Another thing, about the installer, even if you don’t know how to get speech
on, this is for anyone new, they can just press the down arrow 5 times on the
boot menu on an refi system, plus on supported systems, like my old Lenovo, you
hear 2 beeps, I believe the current project leader is also vi
Hello, friendly list, this discussion was inside another discussion and
perhaps partly because of my poor choice of words, was thought to be a
distro flame war, but that was never my intention or desire.
I want to make a point about Accessibility in general and Accessibility
in Debian in particula
Unfortunately that is a downside of using gmail as it always quotes previous
messages, currently using mail on my Mac because it has autocorrect
> On 30 Dec 2021, at 17:06, john doe wrote:
>
> On 12/30/2021 5:50 PM, Jordan Livesey wrote:
>>> On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:49, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>>
Sorry if anyone gets this message twice, I got tripped up by the
default reply to being a choice between the last respondant and
everyone instead of something sensible like "just the list".
I might have missed some details on account of several people quoting
huge chunks of the conversation and th
Word of advice, if you are using thunderbird, you can use your full name
instead of using the name Mozilla provides as found in the from field, hope
this helps for those new to thunderbird
> On 30 Dec 2021, at 17:06, john doe wrote:
>
> On 12/30/2021 5:50 PM, Jordan Livesey wrote:
>>> On 30 De
On 12/30/2021 5:50 PM, Jordan Livesey wrote:
On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:49, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
Please take this out of here.
--
John Doe
That’s OK then, as long as we are talking about Debian I am fine with that.
Because I love Debian, that’s why I came here
> On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:49, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>
> Jordan,
>
> I am discussing Debian accessibility.
>
> Please stop with repeated comments. Mentioning other distrib
Jordan,
I am discussing Debian accessibility.
Please stop with repeated comments. Mentioning other distributions or
operating systems is not forbidden. You yourself just mentioned "windows
and ubuntu".
Please stop.
Thanks,
David
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 11:11 Jordan Livesey wrote:
> This is no
This is not a war, and I told you
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times that this is strictly for Debian, do you want me to go back to windows?
No,
Jordan, stop with the war, you've already stated your opinion, but
hopefully you will be true to what you just said "i don't have to tell you
this but for the last time,"
Since, you didn't have to tell me this (again), don't do it. You've stated
your opinion, anything more is oppressive.
Hopefull
Well if you want to be a hacker, go be my guest, because Slackware was designed
for it, but for everyone else, Debian is the way to go, and this is a Debian
specific mailing list, not a Slackware one
> On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:06, Devin Prater wrote:
>
> Dude, anyone that uses Slackware and enjoy
Dude, anyone that uses Slackware and enjoys it, enjoys it for what it is.
It's not your job to tell people what to use and what not to use. Some of
these people have been using computers, most likely, much longer than you
have, so can deal with compiling software, managing different package
manager
I don't have to tell you this but for the last time, slackware isn't easy
to use nore is anything based on slackware, which is why it doesn't support
secure boot also, that is why debian is better
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 3:54 PM D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> And I just stated that Slint was amazingl
And I just stated that Slint was amazingly accessible, accessibility also
means easy to use. Slint has the features, at least with additional screen
readers, already installed, easy to switch on with a well documented script
named "speak-with".
That's not a war or any reason for a war, it's just a
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:44:42AM +, Jordan Livesey wrote:
>I was able to install it with the speech so it hasn't broken that, and. Plus
>olka works, so there's nothing wrong. , are you using version 11?
Yes, I am using the newest branch of Debian 11. Because I need speech in
cosole and als
I was able to install it with the speech so it hasn't broken that, and. Plus
olka works, so there's nothing wrong. , are you using version 11?
From: Christian Schoepplein
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 8:30:42 AM
To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Sub
When it comes to accessible desktop environments, XFC is quite accessible, In
fact, you can easily use FCE desktop environment with screen readers,
especially orca, It's just a shame that distributions featuring the desktop
environment don't come with it. , otherwise the MATE desktop environment
On 30/12/2021 12:20, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Didier Spaier, le jeu. 30 déc. 2021 10:32:24 +0100, a ecrit:
>> On 30/12/2021 08:10, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>> You also have the same choice on other distributions such as Debian.
>>>
>>> Please don't fall in a distro war, we don't need that.
>>
>> Wel
Didier Spaier, le jeu. 30 déc. 2021 10:32:24 +0100, a ecrit:
> On 30/12/2021 08:10, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > You also have the same choice on other distributions such as Debian.
> >
> > Please don't fall in a distro war, we don't need that.
>
> Well Samuel, you quoted me out of context, I am no
I’m tired of this discussion of what works best and all that.
Could you please continue this on e.g the blinux mailing list?
This list is for debian-related accessibility discussions, while the blinux
list is more for general discussions like this “Iggdrasil”.
Martin
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> On 30 Dec 2021, at 07:06, nandroid wrote:
>
> nandroid
>
> On 30/12/2021 01:10, nandroid wrote:
>> nandroid
>>
>> On 30/12/2021 00:19, the official-baby-annabelle-doll-fan-club wrote:
>>> moo
>>>
>>> On 29/12/2021 23:18, noddy wrote:
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Agree, I came here because I am fiercely loyal to Debian because it just works
> On 30 Dec 2021, at 10:54, Odd Martin Baanrud wrote:
>
> I’m tired of this discussion of what works best and all that.
> Could you please continue this on e.g the blinux mailing list?
> This list is for debian-relat
Orca is the only good screen reader, as well as fenrir and many other console
screen readers, this project would be most useful for android x86 installers
that have no accessible way of installing them or even include talkback, and
yes, you can run android on your pc
> On 30 Dec 2021, at 10:19,
Hi Jordan,
Answers to some of your statements after the quotes.
On 30/12/2021 08:13, Jordan Livesey wrote:
> chromium is only accessible on distros based on debian based
> on a dependency that only debian has and that ubuntu also uses, fedora users
> are out of luck here, so are arch and opensuse
fenrir is a pretty nice screen reader, it comes with jenux
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 8:57 AM Sebastian Humenda wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Samuel Thibault schrieb am 30.12.2021, 8:10 +0100:
> >D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 29 déc. 2021 21:56:55 -0500, a ecrit:
> >> Also with Slint, arguably the most accessib
Hi all
Samuel Thibault schrieb am 30.12.2021, 8:10 +0100:
>D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 29 déc. 2021 21:56:55 -0500, a ecrit:
>> Also with Slint, arguably the most accessible of them all, you have the
>> choice
>> of various screen readers in console:
>>
>> espeakup (Console screen reader connecti
On 30/12/2021 08:10, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> You also have the same choice on other distributions such as Debian.
>
> Please don't fall in a distro war, we don't need that.
>
> Samuel
Well Samuel, you quoted me out of context, I am not the one who started the war.
This being said, I usually tr
Jordan,
You are misinformed and by posting here you are unfortunately posting
misinformation. SLINT is based on the newest version of Slackware. The
other accessible distributions didn't go out of support because people
didn't like them, people loved them but they were all volunteer projects as
is
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