Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-29 Thread john doe
On 1/30/24 06:22, Christian Schoepplein wrote: On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 08:40:07AM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: Neils, I think what you are about to find is that individual preference generally dominates accessibility concerns here. Yes. All what I wrote is the prefered way I like to work

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-29 Thread Christian Schoepplein
On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 08:40:07AM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: >Neils, I think what you are about to find is that individual preference >generally dominates accessibility concerns here. Yes. All what I wrote is the prefered way I like to work because it is the most simplest way for me. This does

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-29 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
Niels Thykier (2024/01/29 14:50 +0100): > Christian Schoepplein: > > Hi Nils, > > > > [...] > > > > Piping output into a pager is very uncomfortable for screen reader users > > IMHO. [...] I'd like to say I do not have the same feeling on that one. Seb.

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-29 Thread Sam Hartman
Neils, I think what you are about to find is that individual preference generally dominates accessibility concerns here. > "Christian" == Christian Schoepplein writes: Christian> Hi Nils, Christian> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:54:24AM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: >> In my case,

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-29 Thread john doe
On 1/29/24 14:50, Niels Thykier wrote: Christian Schoepplein: Hi Nils, [...] Piping output into a pager is very uncomfortable for screen reader users IMHO. [...] Ciao,    Schoepp Thanks for the hint, Schoepp. This sounds like the screen reader optimized output mode should imply

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-29 Thread Sebastian Humenda
Hi Niels Thykier schrieb am 29.01.2024, 14:50 +0100: >Christian Schoepplein: >> Hi Nils, >> >> [...] >> >> Piping output into a pager is very uncomfortable for screen reader users >> IMHO. [...] >> >> Ciao, >> >>Schoepp >> > >Thanks for the hint, Schoepp. Just as a second confirmation,

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-29 Thread Niels Thykier
Christian Schoepplein: Hi Nils, [...] Piping output into a pager is very uncomfortable for screen reader users IMHO. [...] Ciao, Schoepp Thanks for the hint, Schoepp. This sounds like the screen reader optimized output mode should imply disabling the automatic pager feature. For

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-29 Thread Christian Schoepplein
Hi Nils, On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:54:24AM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: >In my case, my tool is not interactive. It generates text output and either >emits all of it on standard out or pipes it to a pager. It is closer to a >tool like ls than mutt in spirit. As far as I know, my tool cannot

OT: Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-28 Thread john doe
On 1/28/24 22:09, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: john doe (2024/01/28 21:33 +0100): Generaly speaking, what is machine readable is screenreader friendly (JSON/YAML). To me, it's more importent to have an extensive documentation explaning what a text file output contains than spending time on getting

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-28 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
john doe (2024/01/28 21:33 +0100): > Generaly speaking, what is machine readable is screenreader friendly > (JSON/YAML). > To me, it's more importent to have an extensive documentation explaning > what a text file output contains than spending time on getting the > "correct" output. I'd say it

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-28 Thread john doe
On 1/27/24 22:18, Niels Thykier wrote: Hi, (Please CC on replies as I am not subscribed) I am looking for advice on how to make the terminal more accessible. The context is that I have a terminal program sub-commands. For some of them, I currently render an ASCII table sometimes with

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-28 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
Just to add one thing: Sébastien Hinderer (2024/01/28 12:10 +0100): > At the very least, if you want to embelish your output, it would be nice > if there is a mode where this embelishment can be disabled, either > through a command-line option, an environemnt variable or a directive in > a

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-28 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
Niels Thykier (2024/01/28 11:54 +0100): > Thanks, I get what you mean now. :) > > In my case, my tool is not interactive. It generates text output and either > emits all of it on standard out or pipes it to a pager. It is closer to a > tool like ls than mutt in spirit. As far as I know, my tool

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-28 Thread Niels Thykier
Samuel Thibault: Niels Thykier, le sam. 27 janv. 2024 23:10:08 +0100, a ecrit: Samuel Thibault: One thing that is important for the screen reader to know what to render is to put the caret on the item that matters. I have trouble with this one. Can you provide an example that would work in

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-27 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
Hi, To (try to) complete what Samuel has written... Niels Thykier (2024/01/27 23:10 +0100): > > One thing that is important for the screen reader to know what to render > > is to put the caret on the item that matters. > > I have trouble with this one. Can you provide an example that would work

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-27 Thread Samuel Thibault
Niels Thykier, le sam. 27 janv. 2024 23:10:08 +0100, a ecrit: > Samuel Thibault: > > One thing that is important for the screen reader to know what to render > > is to put the caret on the item that matters. > > I have trouble with this one. Can you provide an example that would work in > the

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-27 Thread Niels Thykier
Samuel Thibault: Hello, Giving a very small answer here. Niels Thykier, le sam. 27 janv. 2024 22:18:23 +0100, a ecrit: Like should the tool disable ANSI color and boldface output to avoid creating confusing output? Screen readers just ignore colors & bold/italic :) Thanks. :) One thing

Re: Accessible terminal output

2024-01-27 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Giving a very small answer here. Niels Thykier, le sam. 27 janv. 2024 22:18:23 +0100, a ecrit: > Like should the tool disable > ANSI color and boldface output to avoid creating confusing output? Screen readers just ignore colors & bold/italic :) One thing that is important for the

Accessible terminal output

2024-01-27 Thread Niels Thykier
Hi, (Please CC on replies as I am not subscribed) I am looking for advice on how to make the terminal more accessible. The context is that I have a terminal program sub-commands. For some of them, I currently render an ASCII table sometimes with unstructured notes following it as legends for