Hello,
Christian Schoepplein, on Sun 22 May 2016 22:48:09 +0200, wrote:
> BTW., I'd like to give GNOME3 a try. But because I need my machine for
> daily work it would be interesting if I can install the gnome packages
> without making my MATE environment unuseable. Is this working?
Yes. Just ma
Hi Mario,
On 23-05-16 14:05, Mario Lang wrote:
> I am quoting just one sentence, I hope it is clear why such
> documentation material is absolutely useless to end users.
>
> Under the heading "Blindness", select "Read screen aloud".
>
> "Quickly turn Screen Reader on and off
>
>You can turn
Samuel Thibault, on Sun 22 May 2016 22:33:49 +0200, wrote:
> Also, is there a guide for blind people new to gnome3, teaching how the
> interface is working? If there is one, we need to point to it from
> the debian accessibility wiki.
Thinking again, I still wouldn't set gnome3 by default if it *
On 5/22/2016 3:13 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Could blind people here comment on this: why you don't use gnome and
prefer MATE instead? (or the converse of course, the idea is not to
blame gnome, we just want to select by default what is best for users,
according to their situation. Ideally we'd j
Luke Yelavich writes:
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 06:33:49AM AEST, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Mario Lang, on Sun 22 May 2016 21:56:00 +0200, wrote:
>> > What I am trying to say is, if a desktop wants to provide Accessibility
>> > that is actually useful to users, they will have to invest more time
>
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Mario Lang wrote:
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 08:05:30
From: Mario Lang
To: Michael Biebl
Cc: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org,
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Subject: Re: MATE chosen by default instead of gnome for blind people [Was:
Debian
On Mon, 23 May 2016, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 18:00:59
From: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
To: Mario Lang , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org,
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Subject: Re: MATE chosen by default instead of gnome for blind people [Was
Michael Biebl writes:
> Am 23.05.2016 um 00:30 schrieb Mario Lang:
>> I would be very much interested in that.
>> GNOME2 had nice things like a keyboard shortcut manual. That already
>> brought you 50% down the road.
>
> …
>
>> blind people interact with a desktop. If you can write a guide whic
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 06:33:49AM AEST, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Mario Lang, on Sun 22 May 2016 21:56:00 +0200, wrote:
> > What I am trying to say is, if a desktop wants to provide Accessibility
> > that is actually useful to users, they will have to invest more time
> > into it then they currentl
Hi,
I precise I'm ready to think with GNOME of way to help for face-to-face
tests, regression tests, writing docs. But it implies a willing, a true
choice, and time. So ... to be discussed.
Regards,
Le 22/05/2016 22:33, Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> Mario Lang, on Sun 22 May 2016 21:56:00 +0200,
Mario Lang, on Mon 23 May 2016 00:30:49 +0200, wrote:
> And, I also question intuitivity: If such documentation is necessary,
> the system isn't really inherently "accessible" from a usability
> stand-point. Put in other words, why is such documentation even
> necessary.
Well, just like it was ne
Am 23.05.2016 um 00:30 schrieb Mario Lang:
> I would be very much interested in that.
> GNOME2 had nice things like a keyboard shortcut manual. That already
> brought you 50% down the road.
…
> blind people interact with a desktop. If you can write a guide which
> explains how to use GNOME3 wit
Samuel Thibault writes:
> Mario Lang, on Sun 22 May 2016 21:56:00 +0200, wrote:
>> What I am trying to say is, if a desktop wants to provide Accessibility
>> that is actually useful to users, they will have to invest more time
>> into it then they currently are willing to do.
>
> Well, perhaps it
hi there,
would it be usefull if the orca list was a part of this discussian?
you may get more feed back :)
I myself am using mate, because of it's lowerd memmery footprint, and
I don't know how to navigate thrue menues.
mate is far more responcive than gnome is.
not much I know i've not used gnom
Hi,
BTW., I'd like to give GNOME3 a try. But because I need my machine for
daily work it would be interesting if I can install the gnome packages
without making my MATE environment unuseable. Is this working?
Ciao,
Christian
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Debian maintainers, I'm just (ab)using the debian mailing list to get a
somehow coherent view from actual users on the issue)
Samuel
Mario Lang, on Sun 22 May 2016 21:56:00 +0200, wrote:
> What I am trying to say is, if a desktop wants to provide Accessibility
> that is actually useful to users, they will have to invest more time
> into it then they currently are willing to do.
Well, perhaps it's not a question of time, but of
Hi,
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote:
>Samuel Thibault writes:
>
>> Cyril Brulebois, on Sat 21 May 2016 23:13:17 +0200, wrote:
>>> * brltty:
>>> - Install MATE desktop by default when brltty is used in d-i.
>>> * espeakup:
>>> - Install MATE desktop by default
Samuel Thibault writes:
> Cyril Brulebois, on Sat 21 May 2016 23:13:17 +0200, wrote:
>> * brltty:
>> - Install MATE desktop by default when brltty is used in d-i.
>> * espeakup:
>> - Install MATE desktop by default when espeakup is used in d-i.
>
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Hello,
Cyril Brulebois, on Sat 21 May 2016 23:13:17 +0200, wrote:
* b
Hi,
(sorry, very long mail, but useful to argue and discuss on concrete matters)
Thanks Samuel and Michael for your feedbacks. I defend the choice of
MATE by default in Debian. I'll try to explain why, and I'm ready to
read any reply, test things relying on such replies, and make my thought
chang
Hello,
Nick Gawronski, on Sun 22 May 2016 06:22:09 -0500, wrote:
> I am also wondering if it has something to do with pulseaudio and the
> issues with running both orca and espeakup at the same time? Nick
> Gawronski
Not, that technical issue is not really related with the question of
gnome vs M
Hi, I am for any desktop provided it has good accessibility support and
that orca works equally as good with the applications I need to use
mainly browsing the web and connecting and disconnecting to wireless
networks. I am also wondering if it has something to do with pulseaudio
and the issue
Hello,
Cyril Brulebois, on Sat 21 May 2016 23:13:17 +0200, wrote:
> * brltty:
> - Install MATE desktop by default when brltty is used in d-i.
> * espeakup:
> - Install MATE desktop by default when espeakup is used in d-i.
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