Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
I can give partial answers to two of your questions, Steve, though neither is going to be enough to create an argument to counter your own conclusions. Institutions and individuals in tight financial situations or in less technically advanced areas continue to use Alphas because they are what is a

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Steve Langasek
Thanks to all who've replied so far. It sounds like we're generally where I thought we would be at this point in time: there are a number of people still using alphas (in particular, folks who have newer and better models than I), including some who expect to still be running theirs in three-year

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Gary, On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:00:34AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > As has already been pointed out, the diversity of the Alpha hardware and > machine code instruction set is a significant security advantage especially > for a firewall, mail host, or web server where attacks are more lik

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Adrian Zaugg
Dear List Quoting Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thoughts? My Alpha is an internet server holding eMail of about 110 users and websever for around 50 domains among other services. I don't know why this is a DEC Alpha, but it is since several years. The project is to support cultural in

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread James Zuelow
On Thursday 21 August 2008 21:36:22 Steve Langasek wrote: > If not, I think it's time to look at retiring the alpha port gracefully as > a release architecture. Alpha has had a long, proud run in Debian, but if > alpha/lenny+1 isn't actually going to be useful to anyone, and no one is > really ma

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Phil Carmody
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, > > With lenny just around the corner, I think it's time to > start thinking about > the future of the Debian alpha port for lenny+1 and beyond. Steve, and all others involved in keeping my favourite OS running on my favo

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Will Rosecrans
Well, personally, I can say that my Alpha is almost never on anymore. There was a time when using it to render stuff from Blender as part of a renderfarm made sense. At this point, the other machines on the network are enough faster that I just don't bother with the loud old beast. That said, som

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Paul Slootman
On Fri 22 Aug 2008, Bob Tracy wrote: > > Bottom line: I would be grateful for the continued existence of a supported > alpha > Linux distribution, but I don't expect it unless a significant number of other > alpha users make themselves known. Debian was really the only viable option > when > I

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Bob Tracy
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:36:22PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > With lenny just around the corner, I think it's time to start thinking about > the future of the Debian alpha port for lenny+1 and beyond. This day was coming. When an architecture is no longer being manufactured, it's difficult to

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Karl Goetz
On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 11:28 +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: > On Thu 21 Aug 2008, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > Are there other developers still actively using alpha who are willing to do > > the work to maintain it? Or perhaps a more important question: does anyone > > foresee themselves still usin

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Gianluca Bonetti
Hi Steve and everybody here! I am a proud Linux user and an Alpha AXP fan (for what it means these days...) I think that having Linux support on Alpha is still a positive goal, like having m68k support and taking care about 386/486/586 vintage machines. I am not interested into m68k, or vin

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Daniel Franganillo
Steve Langasek escribió: Hi folks, With lenny just around the corner, I think it's time to start thinking about the future of the Debian alpha port for lenny+1 and beyond. I've noticed some time before, early in the lenny cycle, that the alpha port is no longer useful to me personally. It's st

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
I should perhaps keep quiet since I'm not capable of taking on this task myself. However, I think this point needs to be considered even if future Alpha support is still to be frozen and dropped: The Microsoft-Intel steamroller has literally flattened the microcomputer field into one of dangerous

Re: lenny+1 and the future of the alpha port?

2008-08-22 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 21 Aug 2008, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Are there other developers still actively using alpha who are willing to do > the work to maintain it? Or perhaps a more important question: does anyone > foresee themselves still using alpha three years from now (1.5 years of > lenny as stable, + 1