Re: [BUG] 4.9.0 build error on Alpha

2016-12-31 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 10:11:45AM +, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > (...) > You need to keep the `*(.alphalib)' line only, i.e. drop the first and > the last line added by the patch, as the output section statement and its > curly braces surrounding input section specifiers are already

Re: [BUG] 4.9.0 build error on Alpha

2016-12-30 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:43:37AM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:07:06PM +0100, Helge Deller wrote: > > (...) > > Another possibility could be to put all the lib functions into > > a "alphalib" section into the final vmlinux. > > For

Re: [BUG] 4.9.0 build error on Alpha

2016-12-30 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:07:06PM +0100, Helge Deller wrote: > (...) > Another possibility could be to put all the lib functions into > a "alphalib" section into the final vmlinux. > For that add at the top of each of the .S files in lib/ > .section .alphalib,"ax" > and apply the attached

Re: [BUG] 4.9.0 build error on Alpha

2016-12-29 Thread Bob Tracy
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 10:23:04PM -0500, Matt Turner wrote: > FWIW, when I saw your first email I tried compiling with gcc-4.9.4, > 5.4.0, and 6.2.0. All compiled my config fine. That's worth quite a bit to me, actually :-). Tells me that downgrading my toolchain is probably a waste of time and

[BUG] 4.9.0 build error on Alpha

2016-12-29 Thread Bob Tracy
I'm guessing this is Alpha-specific at the moment, because I'm getting a world-class lettin' alone from the kernel developers. Saw another binutils update come through a couple of days ago, so tried another from-scratch kernel build. No change in the outcome. This "smells" like a gcc or

Re: 4.9.0 build error on Alpha

2016-12-14 Thread Bob Tracy
r any help in resolving this. --Bob On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 08:07:10AM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: > Got all the way to the end of the 4.9-final kernel build, and ran into the > following: > > LD init/built-in.o > arch/alpha/lib/lib.a(strcat.o): In function `strcat': > (.text

Re: [BUG] machine check Oops on Alpha

2016-04-19 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 01:46:13AM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > I can see if I can find anything suspicious there if you send me original > copies (i.e. those that oopsed) of arch/alpha/kernel/irq_alpha.o and > arch/alpha/kernel/core_cia.o. > > > Machine has been stable since the machine

Re: [BUG] machine check Oops on Alpha

2016-04-19 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 09:52:43PM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > 4.6.0-rc4 build complete, including suggested (by Alan Young) "Verbose > Machine Checks" option set to level 2 by default. System rebooted, and > now we wait... Thanks for everyone's continued patience. W

Re: [BUG] machine check Oops on Alpha

2016-04-18 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:47:40PM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Bob Tracy wrote: > > > Build delayed slightly. Ran into "fs/binfmt_em86.o" build failure > > patched by Daniel Wagner back in February (incompatible-pointer-types > > wa

Re: [BUG] machine check Oops on Alpha

2016-04-18 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 10:58:48PM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:32:54AM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > I'd be tempted to run with the patch below to see what's the value of > > `la_ptr' early on in processing (`entInt' code in entry.S looks sane to

[BUG] machine check Oops on Alpha

2016-04-17 Thread Bob Tracy
Apologies in advance for the "poor" quality of this bug report. No idea how to proceed, because the issue historically has been intermittent to non-existant for reasons unknown. Within 24 hours of booting my Alpha (PWS 433au), I'm pretty much guaranteed to see a "machine check" Oops which

Re: ftp.debian-ports.org status

2016-03-04 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 02:52:09PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 07:45:36 -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: > > > The subject system has been unreachable for at least the past 12 hours. > > Scheduled maintenance? Hardware failure? Backhoe-induced network &

ftp.debian-ports.org status

2016-03-04 Thread Bob Tracy
The subject system has been unreachable for at least the past 12 hours. Scheduled maintenance? Hardware failure? Backhoe-induced network outage or power failure? --Bob

Re: can't boot kernel 4.x on SX164

2016-02-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 08:27:42PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23:44PM -0500, Alex Winbow wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2016, Helge Deller wrote: > > > > >On 20.02.2016 08:41, Michael Cree wrote: > > >>On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:09:49AM -0500, Alex Winbow wrote: > > >>>

packagekitd

2015-12-09 Thread Bob Tracy
(Comments below apply to the "unstable/sid" version of Debian.) The subject program has a rather sizable memory leak on Alpha. Stuff starts breaking due to the OOM condition (USB device driver loads fail with paging errors), and "top" confirms "packagekitd" consuming a disproportionate share of

Re: packagekitd

2015-12-09 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 10:19:16PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: > The subject program has a rather sizable memory leak on Alpha. Here's a link to a relevant bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802306 Also, it does no good to stop the packagekit service: it simply resta

systemd vs. upgrades

2015-11-03 Thread Bob Tracy
Unrelated to the specific upgrade issues, there's a larger problem with Debian since the switch to "systemd". Namely, if any upgrade touches something controlled by "systemd", the odds of being able to do a clean shutdown/reboot drop to approximately zero: the shutdown process hangs due to

Re: as far as putting in a build request

2015-09-16 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:26:03PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: > kdepim is now built. Wonderful! Still working on our issues with getting glib2.0 built. As you mentioned in a separate message, the official build environment doesn't include "gdb", so "run-assert-msg-test.sh" exits cleanly without

Re: as far as putting in a build request

2015-09-12 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 02:21:25PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: > glib2.0 FTBFS (test-suite failures) and is holding up Gnome. If you > could work your magic on that one too I would be mightily pleased! I got lucky with "cmake". Let's see if lightning will strike twice :-). --Bob

Re: many packages held for alpha

2015-09-11 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:43:24AM +0100, Simon Brown wrote: > Thanks Bob, What was the fix? Quick answer: see the discussion at bugs.debian.org for bug 789807. Somewhat longer answer... On alpha, and maybe other architectures, there's no guarantee that the byte in front of a character array is

as far as putting in a build request

2015-09-11 Thread Bob Tracy
Getting the dependencies for "kde-baseapps" built would be a huge help in trying to clear what is now a 278-package backlog of held packages on my local system. Also would love to see the build dependencies for the "kdepim" source package satisfied: that's a big part of the KDE upgrade mess.

Re: many packages held for alpha

2015-09-11 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 07:33:21PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:05:54AM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 07:56:29AM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: > > > The main problem is > > > that cmake FTBFS (Bug #789807) thus a growing prop

Re: many packages held for alpha

2015-09-09 Thread Bob Tracy
On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 07:56:29AM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: > The main problem is > that cmake FTBFS (Bug #789807) thus a growing proportion of the > archive is unbuildable on Alpha. See your private e-mail. I may have a handle on this beast. Won't burden the rest of the list with my

many packages held for alpha

2015-09-07 Thread Bob Tracy
With unstable, this happens from time to time. At the moment, I've got 203 held packages as follows: apt apt-utils aptitude aptitude-common build-essential cdrdao cheese-common cmake-data cpp cups-filters cups-filters-core-drivers ecj ecj-gcj epiphany-browser-data evince-common evolution-common

Re: Re: Pre-DEBIAN 8.0 install images for ALPHA architecture (debian-ports unstable release)

2015-06-01 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 11:42:45AM +0200, Helge Deller wrote: (...) Other than that I noticed that I'm unable to boot the linux-4.0 debian kernel on my machine. Anyone has observed that too? aboot messages: aboot b vmlinuz-4.0.0-2-alpha-generic ro root=/dev/sda3 console=ttyS0 aboot:

Re: Pre-DEBIAN 8.0 install images for ALPHA architecture (debian-ports unstable release)

2015-02-28 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:45:38AM +0100, Helge Deller wrote: I've prepared some installation medias for DEBIAN 8.0 on ALPHA (debian-ports unstable release!) Thank you for making these available! I was dreading the day I might have to do a from scratch install after a catastrophic hardware

debian-ports Contexts-alpha file not updating

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Tracy
A quick look around shows new packages for Alpha showing up on the server, but debian/dists/unstable/Contents-alpha.gz (and the Contents files for several other architectures as well) is empty. Is there an estimated time to repair? Thanks in advance... --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: debian-ports Contents-alpha file not updating

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Tracy
Dang fingers... Don't work so well this early in the morning. Subject should have been as for *this* message. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 08:16:16AM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: A quick look around shows new packages for Alpha showing up on the server, but debian/dists/unstable/Contents-alpha.gz

Re: kscreen-1.0.2.1-1

2014-07-04 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 07:18:23PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 12:12:45AM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: Is there a reason the subject package isn't available in the debian-ports archive for alpha? The build logs say everything built properly at least 128 days ago

kscreen-1.0.2.1-1

2014-07-03 Thread Bob Tracy
Is there a reason the subject package isn't available in the debian-ports archive for alpha? The build logs say everything built properly at least 128 days ago, and the package is a dependency for several KDE packages currently being held back in my installation queue. I'll try to roll my own in

Re: java 1.7on AlphaServer

2014-06-04 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 10:39:00PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 01:05:20PM +0300, m...@ukr.net wrote: First of all I'm the one shouting for instructions about how to install ble eding edge Debian Sid on alpha I still have a draft copy of the instructions. Might be a

rsyslog 7.6.2 and liblogging-stdlog0 (unstable)

2014-03-24 Thread Bob Tracy
It could be as simple as liblogging-stdlog0 not having been put in the queue to build, but the upgrade of rsyslog to version 7.6.2-1 is being held pending the availability of the liblogging-stdlog0 package. The liblogging package builds fine locally. While I'm on your screens, the list of held

fs/btrfs/ioctl.c: implicit declaration of function __put_user_unaligned

2013-09-21 Thread Bob Tracy
Seeing this on alpha also. Kernel version 3.12.0-rc1. Is a fix similar to what Geert submitted for m68k appropriate here? See http://marc.info/?l=linux-archm=137820065929216w=2 for the details. --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: new radeon firmware for 3.11.0-rcX

2013-08-25 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 04:52:48PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: I also noted in the changelog of the recent upload to debian-ports of the xserver radeon video driver a comment to the effect that KMS is now only supported. This may be problematic to anyone running a radeon card, a stock standard

new radeon firmware for 3.11.0-rcX

2013-08-22 Thread Bob Tracy
Just a heads-up, since many Alpha users have Radeon cards... If you have KMS enabled and you're experimenting with the latest 3.11.0-rcX kernels, you probably want to grab an up-to-date snapshot of at *least* the radeon firmware subdirectory. The kernel firmware repository is available at

what happened to unstable at ftp.debian-ports.org?

2013-08-16 Thread Bob Tracy
I suddenly went from approx. 13 updates held back to nothing available. Site hardware failure of some kind? --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: gdm deprecated?

2013-08-14 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 08:29:05PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: I have just installed the cinnamon desktop to try it out and it pulled in gnome-settings-daemon and, guess what, the bug is still there. It still crashes. I remember this bug: it crashes when trying to load a plugin. I saw it two

Re: gdm deprecated?

2013-07-28 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 06:26:58PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: gdm3 has just been built on Alpha and I am now uploading it to Debian-Ports. It might take half a day or so to appear on the mirrors. Grabbed it. Thanks. Would be interesting to see if #681195 is fixed though I see that the last

gdm deprecated?

2013-07-14 Thread Bob Tracy
I've reached an impasse as far as being able to apply further updates to my Debian unstable system. Not sure if there are any updates planned for gdm3, but all of the pending (held back) gnome updates seem to require removal of gdm3. I note the availability of a gdm compatibility package

Re: gdm deprecated?

2013-07-14 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 07:15:09AM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: gdm3 has not been buildable on Alpha for more than 39 days because its build dependencies are not satisfied. But was gdm3 even working for you? It was crashing last year and I filed a bug report but I was not aware of it being

Re: iceweasel issues (update)

2012-08-18 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:04:14PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: On 28/04/12 09:32, Bob Tracy wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:42:10PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: I am fairly certain that the crash is this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660960 The backtraces I got all

Re: new video card (was Re: USB cards for PWS 433au)

2012-06-28 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 06:57:06PM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: (...) On the original subject of USB cards, it turns out my other USB card is simply a later revision of the same VIA card that doesn't work, and the later rev doesn't work either. Time to go find a NEC chipset USB card. Found one

new video card (was Re: USB cards for PWS 433au)

2012-06-25 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:28:19AM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: I'll see about getting another video card to try. Any recommendations as far as something that will support 1280x1024x24 on a PWS? In the meantime, I can try backing off the resolution to 1024x768x24 to see if that makes

Re: new video card (was Re: USB cards for PWS 433au)

2012-06-25 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 01:34:51AM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:28:19AM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: I'll see about getting another video card to try. Any recommendations as far as something that will support 1280x1024x24 on a PWS? In the meantime, I can try backing

Re: USB cards for PWS 433au

2012-06-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 04:42:39PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: Oh! A VIA USB card. I had a USB card recovered from a PC at work that proved unreliable in the PWS and the XP1000 and my recollection is that it had a VIA chipset. I thought the card must be faulty, but maybe there really is a

Re: USB cards for PWS 433au

2012-06-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 09:23:43AM +0200, Uwe Schindler wrote: I had a NEC controller also running perfect! That's two votes for the NEC. I tried removing the VIA controller this evening to see if that fixed my video issues: it didn't :-(. I don't know if something is permanently damaged, or

Re: USB cards for PWS 433au

2012-06-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:02:40AM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: I tried removing the VIA controller this evening to see if that fixed my video issues: it didn't :-(. (...) I'll see about getting another video card to try. Any recommendations as far as something that will support 1280x1024x24

USB cards for PWS 433au

2012-06-23 Thread Bob Tracy
I recently retired an old AMD K6-III/450 system that had a serviceable USB controller in it, so I tried transplanting it to my Alpha. The kernel seems to detect it just fine and load the appropriate drivers, but there's evidently a conflict of some kind between the USB card and my Radeon 7500.

Re: USB cards for PWS 433au

2012-06-23 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:59:15AM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: On 23/06/12 18:43, Bob Tracy wrote: I recently retired an old AMD K6-III/450 system that had a serviceable USB controller in it, so I tried transplanting it to my Alpha. The kernel seems to detect it just fine and load

Re: USB cards for PWS 433au

2012-06-23 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 08:35:38PM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:59:15AM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: On 23/06/12 18:43, Bob Tracy wrote: I recently retired an old AMD K6-III/450 system that had a serviceable USB controller in it, so I tried transplanting it to my Alpha

Re: /bin/login and utmp updates

2012-05-29 Thread Bob Tracy
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 05:44:01PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: I see the latest src:shadow package (version 1:4.1.5.1-1) includes the following in the changelog: * New upstream release: - login: log into utmp(x) but not into wtmp (this is done by pam_lastlog). Log to utmp(x) was broken

Re: iceweasel issues (update)

2012-04-28 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 08:59:52PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: The alpha specific ipc patch in bug 650151 [1] has been applied, and interestingly there were no GPREL16 relocation errors in linking despite absence of --no-relax during linking, as far as I can tell from the build log. It

Re: iceweasel issues (update)

2012-04-27 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:42:10PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: I am fairly certain that the crash is this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660960 The backtraces I got all ended in madvise() --- which is what the bug report is about. The available facts fit the theory, so

Re: iceweasel issues (update)

2012-04-27 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:08:12AM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: OK, I'll see if I can do a manual build of iceweasel 12.0 this weekend. I won't build the latest version in unstable as there is no point in building a version that still has the madvise() lockup bug. The 12.0 code base *probably*

iceweasel issues (update)

2012-04-26 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 05:33:34PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: On 27/02/2012, at 5:13 PM, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 02:30:16PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: I've also just upgraded to iceweasel 10.0.2-1+alpha and have it running on the xfce4 desktop. It worked for a while reading

KDE working again(?)

2012-04-23 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 10:26:03PM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:40:30PM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 01:07:20PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: Note that qt4-x11 at version 4.7.4-3 has just been built and is now installed at debian-ports. You might

Re: KDE working again(?)

2012-04-23 Thread Bob Tracy
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:08:41AM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: On 24/04/2012, at 9:18 AM, Bob Tracy wrote: Happy day! KDE is now working again, at least remotely (NX session). I'll try a console session later as time permits. Nice. Any idea what the culprit was? No idea whatsoever

Re: KDE broken again

2012-04-01 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:40:30PM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 01:07:20PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: Note that qt4-x11 at version 4.7.4-3 has just been built and is now installed at debian-ports. You might like to try upgrading to see if that makes any difference

Re: KDE broken again

2012-03-31 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 01:07:20PM +1200, Michael Cree wrote: Note that qt4-x11 at version 4.7.4-3 has just been built and is now installed at debian-ports. You might like to try upgrading to see if that makes any difference. Grabbing the updated packages now... I'll let you know. Unrelated

KDE broken again

2012-03-29 Thread Bob Tracy
I don't know exactly when things broke, as it has been a good while since I've had the time to do much with the Alpha. (Been trying to retire a K6-III/450 system for a while, and finally got moved into an i7-2600S. Yes, I like it :-)). Both plasma-desktop and kderunner are crashing during

[BUG] /var/run/utmp not being updated

2012-03-06 Thread Bob Tracy
A recent update broke updating of /var/run/utmp -- /run/utmp. who returns nothing and exits with a status of 0. who -a shows all the virtual consoles at LOGIN state, the correct system boot time, and the correct current run-level. last seems to be working correctly, so wtmp is fine. Anyone else

Re: iceweasel 10.0.1-1+alpha

2012-02-26 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 02:30:16PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: I've also just upgraded to iceweasel 10.0.2-1+alpha and have it running on the xfce4 desktop. It worked for a while reading a few web pages, but has now locked up and it using whatever spare CPU it can take. I can still use the

Re: KDE4 [was Re: iceweasel 10.0.1-1+alpha]

2012-02-26 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 05:54:52PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: (...) I do have a Radeon HD4350 card installed and it's great to see the modern features exploited. I am not sure how smoothly and prettily it will run with an older 7000 series Radeon card. Compositing was/is an issue with

Re: iceweasel 10.0.1-1+alpha

2012-02-25 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:44:29PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 06:08:52PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: There is a new version, 10.0.2-1+alpha, accepted into debian-ports unreleased about 24 hours ago. Please try that. Just noticed it. Downloading/installing now, along

iceweasel 10.0.1-1+alpha

2012-02-24 Thread Bob Tracy
The subject version of iceweasel hangs while trying to load the default Google search page. The prior version worked fine. The kernel mutex fix for the pulseaudio issue seems to be valid: my firefox-8 build didn't crash when I clicked on the main pull-down menu (upper-left of the firefox

Re: iceweasel 10.0.1-1+alpha

2012-02-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:28:43PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: The subject version of iceweasel hangs while trying to load the default Google search page. The prior version worked fine. The kernel mutex fix for the pulseaudio issue seems to be valid: my firefox-8 build didn't crash when I

Re: iceweasel 10.0.1-1+alpha

2012-02-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 06:08:52PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: There is a new version, 10.0.2-1+alpha, accepted into debian-ports unreleased about 24 hours ago. Please try that. Just noticed it. Downloading/installing now, along with a udev update. This will be the first one of *those* I

Re: Progress on the Alpha distribution at debian-ports

2012-02-18 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:45:53AM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: So how is Gnome3 for you? It always starts up in fallback mode for me. I do have radeon KMS runnning, but mesa is using the software DRI renderer. That might be why it starts in fallback mode. Ahh, that's because I am

a few package dependency issues

2012-02-17 Thread Bob Tracy
There have been libjpeg62 and libjpeg62-dev updates held back for many months due to dependency issues. In particular, when I tried apt-get install libjpeg62 libjpeg62-dev this morning to check the current status, I got the following proposed removals: libcupsimage2-dev libdirectfb-dev

Re: a few package dependency issues

2012-02-17 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 07:59:13AM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: Why are you trying to install libjpeg62? Almost everything now depends on libjpeg8. Ah... libjpeg62 *is* the cruft :-). I installed libjpeg8-dev, and the dam burst: more updates are now applying. --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Progress on the Alpha distribution at debian-ports

2012-02-12 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 02:37:44PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: You may have noticed that we have the majority of the unstable distribution (was over 95% a week ago) built at Debian-Ports. It is reasonably up-to-date with many problems in the toolchain fixed, the kernel up to date, Gnome 3 built

Re: Progress on the Alpha distribution at debian-ports

2012-02-12 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 03:56:41PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: Got a new bug I need to file against the radvd package: the radvd process ID stored in /var/run/radvd/pid is the predecessor of two child processes that get spawned (and detach: ppid == 1). Thus, init level changes don't work

Re: Beware of new udev

2012-01-25 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 09:43:03PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: On 25/01/12 20:24, Bob Tracy wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 07:23:50PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: The udev problem with the missing accept4 syscall on Alpha is now fixed. ACK. Upgrading libc6.1 (and other packages) as I type

Re: Beware of new udev

2012-01-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 07:23:50PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: The udev problem with the missing accept4 syscall on Alpha is now fixed. ACK. Upgrading libc6.1 (and other packages) as I type this. Thanks for pushing through an updated kernel. --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: KDE4 testing on Alpha

2011-12-20 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:04:11PM +0100, Pino Toscano wrote: (KDE4 causing hard system lockups/freezes during console sessions, but not FreeNX sessions.) Hm I see. My next hint would be try to disable the compositing of kwin (the window manager), maybe it somehow detects it is available

Re: URGENT: do NOT upgrade console-common to 0.7.86

2011-12-20 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:18:46AM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: The recent upgrade to console-common (version 0.7.86) is badly broken. (...) console-common 0.7.87 is now available, together with a compatible initscripts upgrade. The upgraded packages install cleanly: it is safe to remove the hold

gcc-4.6 -msmall-data

2011-12-19 Thread Bob Tracy
Maybe I missed it, but was there a solution (or at least an explanation) for the gcc-4.6 kernel build issue where we were getting GPREL16 errors when using the -msmall-data flag? --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: KDE4 testing on Alpha

2011-12-13 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 08:02:32PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: On 13/12/11 01:58, Bob Tracy wrote: Wonderful news concerning gcc/g++-4.6, and I think rebuilding several of our (Alpha's) more questionable packages would be a worthwhile exercise. We are now defaulting to gcc-4.6 on Alpha

Re: KDE4 testing on Alpha

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Tracy
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 09:34:05PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: Bob, I've just recompiled iceweasel and icedove with gcc-4.6 and full optimisation (other than --no-relax in the linker) and the crashes in those two packages have disappeared. I am sending this message with icedove from my

Re: KDE4 testing on Alpha

2011-12-11 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 08:03:46PM +0100, Pino Toscano wrote: If it's the virtuoso process to create issue, you can try disabling the semantic desktop (which uses the virtuoso DB): either you uninstall the virtuoso packages, or disable nepomuk for your user in a console with: $ kwriteconfig

KDE4 testing on Alpha

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Tracy
Armed with nearly three times the RAM I used to have, I screwed up my courage and tried a plasma-desktop session on the console. It locked up the machine as it did on all prior attempts, but now that the machine isn't paging itself to death, it seems easier to start narrowing down cause and

memory upgrades for PWS

2011-12-08 Thread Bob Tracy
I'm not normally inclined to give any vendor free advertising, but reasonably priced RAM upgrade options for one of our systems of choice are getting hard to find, so please accept this recommendation in that spirit. 18004memory.com is currently selling a 2x256MB kit on eBay for US$25: PC66 ECC

Re: memory upgrades for PWS

2011-12-08 Thread Bob Tracy
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 12:14:04PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Any particular model number on the site? My previous attempt to buy ram for my PWS didn't work out (it doesn't like the ram). Here's the link to the eBay listing:

URGENT: do NOT upgrade console-common to 0.7.86

2011-12-05 Thread Bob Tracy
The recent upgrade to console-common (version 0.7.86) is badly broken. Lots of resulting initscript / service script loops that will prevent your machine from booting after the upgrade. See Debian bugs #650995 and #651000 for the gory details. Until a version 0.7.86 is available, place a hold

KDE4 testing notes

2011-11-30 Thread Bob Tracy
I don't suppose the fact that the major graphical environments are less than svelte is much of a revelation, but if people are wanting to run them on older hardware, it's presumably useful to know at least roughly what the minimum hardware requirements are. Anyway, here's another data point for

iceweasel -O0 vs. -O1 performance

2011-11-26 Thread Bob Tracy
No contest: the -O1 version runs *much* faster on my PWS 433au. I still don't trust the optimizer, but the performance gains are too great to ignore. Well done, Michael! --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: iceweasel -O0 vs. -O1 performance

2011-11-26 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 01:19:57PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: As I understand it -O1 only turns on straightforward optimisations such as keeping often used local variables in CPU registers. On a CPU with many registers, such as the Alpha, this gives a huge performance lift. I presume you

Re: Iceweasel [was Re: firefox-8.0.1]

2011-11-26 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 01:34:55PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: On 26/11/11 17:05, Bob Tracy wrote: Might have to have you crank out an official -O0 or -O1 build of QT4 so I can release the hold on 25 binary packages. OK, I'll take a look at that one. I presume you mean qt4-x11

Re: Iceweasel [was Re: firefox-8.0.1]

2011-11-26 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 04:42:17AM +, Matt Turner wrote: Hardly worth it. There's no upgrade for a PWS that's going to make it fast. Fast is relative. Besides, if nearly tripling the amount of RAM in my system can eliminate even a little of the paging I'm seeing during larger package

Re: Iceweasel [was Re: firefox-8.0.1]

2011-11-25 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 09:23:01PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: ... 2) Set optimization to use -O1 not -O2. 3) Now this one is *very* *interesting*. I added -Wl,--no-relax to LDFLAGS in debian/rules, but I think I got it wrong, because --no-relax did not appear anywhere in the logs, i.e.,

Re: Iceweasel [was Re: firefox-8.0.1]

2011-11-25 Thread Bob Tracy
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 01:49:21PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: On 26/11/11 01:20, Bob Tracy wrote: :-). There was a recent binutils upgrade. I wonder... No, binutils is not fixed. The GPREL16 relocation error still occurs with other packages. I suspect the use of -O1 may cause

Re: pulseaudio mutex bug reported

2011-11-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 09:52:16PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: On 24/11/11 04:06, Bob Tracy wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 04:12:53PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: Search for #649641: pulseaudio mutex issue on Alpha architecture. The workaround mentioned in the report for ARM also works

Re: pulseaudio mutex bug reported

2011-11-24 Thread Bob Tracy
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:43:06PM +1300, Michael Cree wrote: On 25/11/11 17:25, Bob Tracy wrote: BEWARE the recent udev upgrade: it suffers from the same problem as the previous version -- the stubbed-out syscalls. The problem is not in udev. That's a technicality :-). udev was built

Re: pulseaudio mutex bug reported

2011-11-23 Thread Bob Tracy
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 04:12:53PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: Search for #649641: pulseaudio mutex issue on Alpha architecture. The workaround mentioned in the report for ARM also works for Alpha. I'll leave it to a package maintainer to explain why :-). Anyway, pulseaudio mutex failures

pulseaudio mutex bug reported

2011-11-22 Thread Bob Tracy
Search for #649641: pulseaudio mutex issue on Alpha architecture. Let's hope this gets addressed: it's getting really difficult to test new browser builds otherwise. --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: firefox-8.0.1

2011-11-21 Thread Bob Tracy
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 04:16:54PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: The subject release appeared less than a day ago, so it seemed like a good time to try out gcc/g++-4.6. Will try a non-optimized build without the nsThreadUtils* patches to see how that goes. When I last tried such a build (version

Re: multiple KDE segfault issues

2011-11-16 Thread Bob Tracy
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:55:59PM -0600, Bob Tracy wrote: (...) Separate from the optimizer issue, KMS bugs apparently *not* specific to Alpha are being seen by others, and they are seeing black screens, system freezes, etc., same as I am. Bottom line: I have high hopes of having a working

Bug#648994: qt4-x11: g++-4.4 optimizer broken on Alpha

2011-11-16 Thread Bob Tracy
Source: qt4-x11 Version: 4:4.7.3-8 Severity: important Tags: patch Dear Maintainer, Due to a bug in the g++-4.4 optimizer, the normal -O2 build of qt4-x11 binary packages results in segfaults on the alpha architecture when apps are run that use the qt4 libraries. This includes kdm and the KDE4

[BUG] pulseaudio mutex lock issue is back

2011-11-16 Thread Bob Tracy
Our old friend is back: Assertion 'pthread_mutex_unlock(m-mutex) == 0' failed at pulsecore/mutex-posix.c:106, function pa_mutex_unlock(). Aborting. An easy way to reproduce: run either firefox or iceweasel, then click on the drop-down menu in the upper-left corner -- the application immediately

firefox-8.0.1

2011-11-16 Thread Bob Tracy
The subject release appeared less than a day ago, so it seemed like a good time to try out gcc/g++-4.6. Will try a non-optimized build without the nsThreadUtils* patches to see how that goes. When I last tried such a build (version 4.0.1), I got segfaults until I put the nsThreadUtils* patches

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