Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-21 Thread Olleg Samoylov
Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: Postgresql 7.4/8 (I believe I can compile the latter from the debian When you will compile postgresql don't forget add configuration option to use timestamp as integer64. :-) In debian package this already configured. One possible configuration we are

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:46:36PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: We intend to use 2 SCSI disks in RAID1 for the system and the others in RAID10 for the DB. There is (obviously) a lot of debate about SATA vs SCSI on the Postgresql list. The general opinion is that 7200 rpm SATA disks just

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange
Hi Nathan On 19/06/05, Nathan Dragun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: Everything on your list is available as far as I'm aware, don't know about the postgresql though. You have to realize that its much easier than most to bring the standard x86 packages over since

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: How hard is it to use Debian AMD64? I run about 15 Debian servers for various clients. These are all 32 bit machines, mainly dual Xeons or Pentium IVs; we use Debian on our Apple ibooks too. All of our machines run stable +

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Nathan Dragun
Lennart Sorensen wrote: Last I checked the 3114 was not very well supported, although that hashopefully improved by now. It is of course software raid only so you are better of pretending it is just a SATA controller and using MD software raid if you want raid at all. I wish I could say

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 10:17 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: How hard is it to use Debian AMD64? [snip] SCSI HDD : 6 x 36GB 15,000 rpm Ultra320 Hmm, expensive stuff. I am not a scsi person anymore. The

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:54:03PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Hmm, expensive stuff. I am not a scsi person anymore. The high prices and lousy performance I got from IBMs 15k rpm scsi drives and raid controller a few years ago while spending a ton of money just makes me not interested

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Nathan Dragun
Lennart Sorensen wrote: True, but that may just be a flaw of the built in controller, not of SATA. You can't connect scsi at all to many machines, which doesn't make scsi broken. You can get SATA controllers that run 24 drives if you want, and unlike scsi, they don't even share the connector

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:18:16PM -0400, Nathan Dragun wrote: I hardly see how 24 cables versus 2 is hardly even something you'd have to consider making a choice about. SCSI channels can take one heck of a beating, besides, your point is irrelevant since you can have the same software

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Nathan Dragun
Jacob Larsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nathan Dragun wrote: Lastly, all SATA drives have either IDE or SCSI interfaces anyways before they go to the SATA channel. Seagate have had native SATA for some time now. Woops, sorry about that bit of

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Jacob Larsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nathan Dragun wrote: Lastly, all SATA drives have either IDE or SCSI interfaces anyways before they go to the SATA channel. Seagate have had native SATA for some time now. /Jacob -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux)

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:49:33PM -0400, Nathan Dragun wrote: Woops, sorry about that bit of mis-information. What kind of performance gains have they been showing over the IDE/SCSI interface SATA drives, any clue? Well most drives have never hit the speed limits of the interface they use,

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 04:01:20PM -0400, Nathan Dragun wrote: So, why not get SCSI that supports the same thing? SATA drives are much bigger, often have higher transfer rates (although slower seeks too in general compared to 15k drives), have nicer cables that don't block airflow, cost much

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:09:45PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: SAS the statistics company? SAS the Scandinavian Airlines? SAS the School of Advanced Study? http://www.sas.ac.uk/ SAS the Surfers Against Sewage? http://www.sas.org.uk/ SAS the Special Air Service? SAS the Society for Applied

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:09:45PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: SAS the statistics company? SAS the Scandinavian Airlines? SAS the School of Advanced Study? http://www.sas.ac.uk/ SAS the Surfers Against Sewage? http://www.sas.org.uk/ SAS the Special

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 10:39:37PM +0200, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: Ah, but SAS was mostly non-conflicting in the storage world. Remember that SSA is both the architecture: Serial Storage Architecture (IBM SSA*) and a brand acronym for the Sparc Storage Array. Well yes SSA would have been

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange
Hi Everyone On 20/06/05, Lennart Sorensen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:49:33PM -0400, Nathan Dragun wrote: Woops, sorry about that bit of mis-information. What kind of performance gains have they been showing over the IDE/SCSI interface SATA drives, any clue?

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:18:16PM -0400, Nathan Dragun wrote: I hardly see how 24 cables versus 2 is hardly even something you'd have to consider making a choice about. SCSI channels can take one heck of a beating, besides, your point is

Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-19 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange
How hard is it to use Debian AMD64? I run about 15 Debian servers for various clients. These are all 32 bit machines, mainly dual Xeons or Pentium IVs; we use Debian on our Apple ibooks too. All of our machines run stable + a few things from testing + occasionally something from unstable. We are

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-19 Thread Nathan Dragun
Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: How hard is it to use Debian AMD64? Hard to use? Wouldn't say hard at all, its like any other OS now. Easy to install in one shot now. Our standard environment includes: Apache 1.3x/Apache 2.x PHP4 Python 2.3/2.4 including all standard modules

Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

2005-06-19 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez
El lun, 20-06-2005 a las 00:30 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange escribi: How hard is it to use Debian AMD64? I run about 15 Debian servers for various clients. These are all 32 bit machines, mainly dual Xeons or Pentium IVs; we use Debian on our Apple ibooks too. All of our machines run stable + a