Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-10 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hi, On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 07:23:24PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Our own benchmarks at work show about a 7%-8% decrease in performance when you turn on CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G. This was for a configuration like this: xw8000 dual P4 3.06GHz w/ 6GB ram running two 3GB processes. Maybe this is related

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:48 -0700, Karl Hegbloom wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 08:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Back when segments were 16 bits wide, yes it was a pain. I'm old enough to have done assembly programming on the 8088. (Now that I have the wisdom of time, I understand why Intel

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 17:30 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 04:09:59PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/jbayko/cpu5.html#Sec5Part4 Part IV: IBM RS/6000 POWER chips (1990). . . . Thirty two 32-bit registers were defined for the POWER1 integer

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-09 Thread Stephen Frost
* Mattias Wadenstein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Even in 1995 4GB would have been a rather expensive amount of ram even for a high end sparc or power machine. Well, instead of searching for prices, go find an old manual of the largest sun sparc32 smp? The one I can think of right now is the

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 09:20 -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: * Mattias Wadenstein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Even in 1995 4GB would have been a rather expensive amount of ram even for a high end sparc or power machine. Well, instead of searching for prices, go find an old manual of the

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 12:37 -0700, Karl Hegbloom wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 00:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:48 -0700, Karl Hegbloom wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 08:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Back when segments were 16 bits wide, yes it was a pain. I'm old

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-09 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 03:44:32PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Segmentation allowed a smoother software upgrade for existing 8080 programs, whereas the 68000 is forward-thinking, a clean break with the 6809. From rom a business perspective, Intel's segmented method is better, but from a

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-09 Thread Bob Proulx
Peter Cordes wrote: Dirk H. Schulz wrote: I want to run a server with more than 4 GB of RAM. I do not need applications/processes to address more than 4 GB each. Let's say I want to have 2 instances of apache on the machine, and each instance should address a max of 4 GB. I think if you

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 05:59 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Dirk H. Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] You need 64bit address space inside the kernel. I386 has some hacks to make this work up to 64GB ram on some hardware and I don't know if amd64 cpus and motherboards can work the

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 02:29:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: I'd say hack is a strong word for PAE, which is just an extension of the segmented memory concept. I think intel's messy segmented memory model is quite a hack. At least with the 386 in protected mode you could treat memory as flat

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 08:23 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 02:29:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: I'd say hack is a strong word for PAE, which is just an extension of the segmented memory concept. I think intel's messy segmented memory model is quite a hack. At least

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Paul Brook
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 14:45, Ron Johnson wrote: In fact, it seems to me that *any* 32 bit processor (SPARC, HPPA, Power) that wants to be able to use more than 4GB of total RAM would have to use such a segmentation scheme. Err, all of the above have 64-bit variants. I don't know if

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 15:03 +0100, Paul Brook wrote: On Wednesday 08 September 2004 14:45, Ron Johnson wrote: In fact, it seems to me that *any* 32 bit processor (SPARC, HPPA, Power) that wants to be able to use more than 4GB of total RAM would have to use such a segmentation scheme.

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Paul Brook
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 15:42, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 15:03 +0100, Paul Brook wrote: On Wednesday 08 September 2004 14:45, Ron Johnson wrote: In fact, it seems to me that *any* 32 bit processor (SPARC, HPPA, Power) that wants to be able to use more than 4GB of

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 16:18 +0100, Paul Brook wrote: On Wednesday 08 September 2004 15:42, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 15:03 +0100, Paul Brook wrote: On Wednesday 08 September 2004 14:45, Ron Johnson wrote: In fact, it seems to me that *any* 32 bit processor (SPARC, HPPA,

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 04:09:59PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/jbayko/cpu5.html#Sec5Part4 Part IV: IBM RS/6000 POWER chips (1990). . . . Thirty two 32-bit registers were defined for the POWER1 integer unit, which also included certain string operations, as well as

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Ben Kochie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 what about Alpha.. Alpha has been a 64bit since the begining: http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/jbayko/cpu5.html#Sec5Part5 - -ben Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 04:09:59PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/jbayko/cpu5.html#Sec5Part4 Part IV: IBM RS/6000 POWER chips (1990). . . . Thirty two 32-bit registers were defined for the POWER1 integer unit, which also included

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Peter Cordes
On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 09:24:31PM +0200, Dirk H. Schulz wrote: Hi folks, I hope this is the right place for this kind of question: I want to run a server with more than 4 GB of RAM. I do not need applications/processes to address more than 4 GB each. Let's say I want to have 2

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-08 Thread Paul Brook
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 23:13, Peter Cordes wrote: [Snip a good description of 32-vs 64-bit] 3D acceleration is only possible with 64/64 kernel/user, or 32/32, if that matters to you. The nvidia drivers provide 3D acceleration for both 64 and 32 bit apps on 64 bit kernels. Paul

Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-07 Thread Dirk H. Schulz
Hi folks, I hope this is the right place for this kind of question: I want to run a server with more than 4 GB of RAM. I do not need applications/processes to address more than 4 GB each. Let's say I want to have 2 instances of apache on the machine, and each instance should address a max of 4

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2004-09-07 21:24:31, schrieb Dirk H. Schulz: Hi folks, Do I need a 64Bit Linux then? Or can I install a 32Bit Linux on a Server NO with 8 GB RAM, set up my 2 instances of apache, and that`s it? Since WOODY you can have 64 GByte of memory, but you need to compile your own kernel and

Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?

2004-09-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Dirk H. Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi folks, I hope this is the right place for this kind of question: I want to run a server with more than 4 GB of RAM. I do not need applications/processes to address more than 4 GB each. Let's say I want to have 2 instances of apache on the