Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Andrew Robinson wrote: Well I made the rough decision last night and switched back to 32b. After reading some benchmarks it didn't look like 64b was going to benefit me much. This is a home desktop computer so the 32b will fit me fine. Just a shame to give up the extra functionality. Perhaps in

Re: Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-03 Thread Craig Hagerman
I find this whole discussion interesting. I have been using Debian unstable AMD64 for 3 years now. I currently have Ubuntu (32 bit) installed on another partition (as a back up for those rare times when I have upgraded and lost X or had some other temporary problem). I have been thinking about swi

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-02 Thread Robert Isaac
> "Robert" == Robert Isaac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Robert> That leaves you with two reasons to have a 32bit chroot, Robert> hardly a headache but it is after all your choice. Myself I Robert> have been using a 32bit chroot mainly for the video codices Robert> and wine since before the

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-02 Thread A. P. Kennedy
> "Robert" == Robert Isaac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Robert> That leaves you with two reasons to have a 32bit chroot, Robert> hardly a headache but it is after all your choice. Myself I Robert> have been using a 32bit chroot mainly for the video codices Robert> and wine since before the

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-02 Thread edwardsa
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 12:38:45AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > U?ytkownik edwardsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisa?: > >I have a question about your claim of performance degradation. See below. > > > ... > > >Is this degradation true for all applications? To be clear, are you > >saying that if

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread tomek . fizyk
Użytkownik edwardsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał: >I have a question about your claim of performance degradation. See below. > ... >Is this degradation true for all applications? To be clear, are you >saying that if >I compile a fortran code using either pgi, or the 64-bit libraries of >g77, tha

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Christopher Browne
On 9/1/06, edwardsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't import powerpoint files. For a government lab, where > productivity can, at times, seem synonymous with productivity, this > can be really annoying. I'm a chroot now. What I really meant was that power point can, at times, seem synomymous w

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread edwardsa
edwardsa wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: Jan De Luyck wrote: On Friday 01 September 2006 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some website found by google and am not sure if it wasn't some old news.

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread edwardsa
Thierry Chatelet wrote: Jan De Luyck wrote: On Friday 01 September 2006 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some website found by google and am not sure if it wasn't some old news. http://openof

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread edwardsa
I have switched to 64-bit because I do scientific calculations and the added address-space is crucial, and the added speed is, well, very nice. I also think that 64-bit linux is not really ready for prime-time. It's not just the absence of a 64-bit OO (flash is completely superfluous). I'm just

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread vitko
> For those that have the knowledge, I know that the 64 bit architecture > is faster due to addressing and such, but is it that noticeable? Also, I have 33% performance bonus with oggenc and mencoder (xvid and lavc encoding). It's enough for me to stick with 64 bit. Just my USD 0.02. Vit -- T

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Andrew Robinson
Well I made the rough decision last night and switched back to 32b. After reading some benchmarks it didn't look like 64b was going to benefit me much. This is a home desktop computer so the 32b will fit me fine. Just a shame to give up the extra functionality. Perhaps in a few years I may try 64

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 15:53 +0200, Jan De Luyck wrote: > On Friday 01 September 2006 15:30, Matthew Robinson wrote: > > Doesn't Koffice work in 64bit? What about abiword, gnumeric, etc? > > Koffice doesn't really do what I need, since it unfortunatly does include > reading MSWord files. The impor

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Sythos
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:30:50PM +0100, Matthew Robinson wrote: > Doesn't Koffice work in 64bit? What about abiword, gnumeric, etc? > Does Koffice MS-WORD/EXCEL plugin work? -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Jan De Luyck
On Friday 01 September 2006 15:30, Matthew Robinson wrote: > Doesn't Koffice work in 64bit? What about abiword, gnumeric, etc? Koffice doesn't really do what I need, since it unfortunatly does include reading MSWord files. The import filters of koffice usually crash instead of doing anything. A

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Matthew Robinson
Albert Dengg wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:58:51PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U?ytkownik Jan De Luyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisa?: Openoffice. I'm tempted to try out the 64-bit build for the latter... anyone here with experience on

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Thierry Chatelet
Jan De Luyck wrote: On Friday 01 September 2006 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some website found by google and am not sure if it wasn't some old news. http://openoffice.debian.net/ lists ju

Re: Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Albert Dengg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:58:51PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > U?ytkownik Jan De Luyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisa?: > >Openoffice. I'm tempted to try out the 64-bit build for the latter... anyone > >here with experience on that? Is it any usable

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Jan De Luyck
On Friday 01 September 2006 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet > supported... But I read it on some website found by google and am not sure > if it wasn't some old news. http://openoffice.debian.net/ lists just that. I'll guess i'll h

Re: Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread tomek . fizyk
Użytkownik Jan De Luyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał: >Openoffice. I'm tempted to try out the 64-bit build for the latter... anyone >here with experience on that? Is it any usable? > >Thanks, > >Jan What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Erik Mouw
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:50:32AM +0200, Lubos Vrbka wrote: > maybe you could also run 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace... not doing > that personally, i am happy with amd64 port, but it might be worth > trying, there are some reports of this on d-u... That works very well. We have a couple of

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Jan De Luyck
On Thursday 31 August 2006 21:11, Andrew Robinson wrote: > Looking for some constructive feedback on other people's experiences As a fairly new AMD64 user, I have to say that maintaining a 32-bit chroot is relatively painless. I've gotten used to using 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade;

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Lubos Vrbka
As a server I would think it would be great but as a workstation it seems to be a pain. The chroot jail works, but having to maintain the apt libraries (I am using etch, so they change fairly often), it more of a pain. For those that have the knowledge, I know that the 64 bit architecture is fast

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Giacomo Mulas
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Jack Malmostoso wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:20:09 +0200, Andrew Robinson wrote: Just looking for some constructive feedback on other's opinions. The answer is really easy: if you feel it's a pain then switch back to the 32bit. I agree completely. It just boils down t

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Alexander Samad
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 01:11:08PM -0600, Andrew Robinson wrote: > Looking for some constructive feedback on other people's experiences > with amd64 as a workstation. I have been only using it a few weeks, > and the setup is a pain due to the amount of 32 bit only programs. I > am having some issue

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Helge Hafting
Andrew Robinson wrote: Looking for some constructive feedback on other people's experiences with amd64 as a workstation. I have been only using it a few weeks, and the setup is a pain due to the amount of 32 bit only programs. I am having some issues with: Eclipse + ExadelStudio plugin (plugin i

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-08-31 Thread Dean Hamstead
if the majority of your applications are running 32bit chroot anyway, then most likely 32bit would be the way to go i have been running 64bit workstation for over a year now and the only application i use 'heavily' in 32bit is cedega (and occasionally but not often wine). dont be ashamed to use t

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-08-31 Thread Robert Isaac
Firefox + Flash (Flash is 32-bit only) There are open alternatives that work 64 bit native (let's be honest, flash 7 is broken anyway what is the big deal if certain sites crash the player or won't play at all?) OpenOffice Understandable here, everyone needs an office suite but there is a 64 bi

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-08-31 Thread Jack Malmostoso
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:20:09 +0200, Andrew Robinson wrote: > Just looking for some constructive feedback on other's opinions. The answer is really easy: if you feel it's a pain then switch back to the 32bit. I am perfectly happy with my 64bit setup, but the only thing I need 32bit are OO.o and Op

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-08-31 Thread tomek . fizyk
I thinlk you must anwer yourself a question: What do you need more: 64bits or all the software that is not available for 64bit debian? I chose 64bits (need 'em for my scientific calculations) though am having the same problems with flash, ooo, etc, and have to wait patiently for 64bit versions of

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-08-31 Thread Francesco Pietra
Hi Andrew: My workstation (not server) is operated by amd64 and I could not achieve the same at the half floating point of 32bit. I see two reasons to move to 64 bit: crunking numbers (as in my case) or games (or other particularly demanding animated graphics). Otherwise, why moving to the mo