* Thomas Steffen
| What I would really like to see is binary compatibility between Debian
| and Ubuntu. So far, that seems to be mostly the case, but it is more a
| coincidence of freeze dates than a feature.
Given that Ubuntu's toolchain people are also Debian's toolchain
people and we (the
* Jacob Bresciani
| They have been waiting (from what I've read) for the x.org modular tree
| to be released. Although that was almost 9 months ago. Someone is
| dragging their heals.
It will now be released with X11R7 which is scheduled for August, it
seems.
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Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On the other hand, I know what problems the 1980's model would have. I
don't know what problems the 2005 model is going to have.
The analogy between cars and software is not perfect. In the
OpenSource world you can help fixing the bugs of the 2005
model. The problems
On (22/04/05 05:25), Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
Beautyfull, this perception of debian is, from my point of view, very
usual, I have been using debian for many years (7), the oldest I
remember is potato, but I'm sure there is something else before, the
schema of release of debian is pretty well
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes:
woody is a perfectly good samba/nfs/apache/dns server. Nothing wrong
with the software in it. A few years ago that software was state of the
art, but now you think it is unusable? Why?
Woody certainly is as good as it was 3 years ago. Only with
On Wednesday 20 April 2005 5:34am, Clive Menzies wrote:
Debian and Ubuntu appear to have a symbiotic relationship, at least
well kinda
I regard them as complementary rather than competing offerings. Many of
the live CDs and desktop distros are debian based and not only expand
user
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 08:54:37AM +0200, Thomas Steffen wrote:
I run several systems at home, and until recently I had a pretty
narrow internet connection. So running testing with daily downloads
between 5 and 50 MB per day per system was just not an option. On the
other hand, stable only has
I run several systems at home, and until recently I had a pretty
narrow internet connection. So running testing with daily downloads
between 5 and 50 MB per day per system was just not an option. On the
It's not that difficult to get a http cache (squid) working.. and combine
that with a nightly
On Monday 18 April 2005 10:44am, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 10:07:55AM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote:
And if Ubuntu takes hold Debian may *never* become a good choice for the
desktop, that is what I fear, and that would mean abandoning Debian. :(
There are many people that
On Monday 18 April 2005 4:54pm, Niklas Ögren wrote:
What do you mean by core archives server? Isn't that what
(us.)debian.org is, and what I'm referring to? Despite whatever the ping
times are with debian.org (when I was using i386 I was using a faster
mirror too), it doesn't have pauses
On Monday 18 April 2005 6:31pm, Christopher Browne wrote:
On 4/18/05, Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I full agree here: Ubuntu is more attractive to the average end user.
But I do not understand why everybody is so upset about this. After
all, there is no one size fits all
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 06:31:49PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote:
On 4/18/05, Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I full agree here: Ubuntu is more attractive to the average end user.
But I do not understand why everybody is so upset about this. After
all, there is no one size fits all
2005 m. Balandio 19 d., Antradienis 16:41, Lennart Sorensen ra:
What makes kde 3.4 so much better than kde 3.2?
I would ask the other way round: is there anything what makes kde 3.2 better
than kde 3.4? The answer is nothing. Newer release is usually better in all
aspects (except bugs, but most
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
woody is a perfectly good samba/nfs/apache/dns server. Nothing wrong
with the software in it. A few years ago that software was state of the
art, but now you think it is unusable? Why?
I believe we saw the problems with this when certain PHP bugs emerged to
the
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 10:49:49AM -0500, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
How about becuse it can be? I hate HATE gnome, but I find gnome 2.10 is very
usable. I never could use it before 2.10. I find kde 3.4 very pleasing to
the eye.
I prefer to use XFCE4.2, but of course that is not in debian
AFAIK, alioth *is* the only local mirror for my region (US). There's
nothing else close to me.
The connections across the atlantic are wide, and the servers around here
quick. Give it a try. :-)
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How do you know most Debian users run desktops? Have you asked all of
Does one admin with 500 Debian servers only count as one user or
as 500?
Now that is a good point. I am not sure that is it valid. Here is why: 500
desktop user vs one sys admin who uses 500 servers with debian.
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 11:45:50AM -0500, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
Now that is a good point. I am not sure that is it valid. Here is why: 500
desktop user vs one sys admin who uses 500 servers with debian. If the 500
users go away, then you have one guy who is using debian, and when he
On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 12:24 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
Well I imagine Debian will get x.org sometime, but probably not in
sarge
since sarge really does want to get released and x.org probably
doesn't
work on every architecture yet. Maybe it does, but I doubt it. And
you
can add new
On Monday 18 April 2005 4:35am, Thomas Steffen wrote:
On 4/18/05, Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alioth doesn't perform as well as us.debian.org for me for some reason,
Neither does the core archives server, but that is what mirrors are for :-)
What do you mean by core archives server?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 10:07:55AM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote:
[snip in various places]
Does EM64T only add the 64 bitness, and not the extra 8 gp registers?
No it does add the instructions, but it is also a P4 with whatever
baggage that brings along and it certainly seems that it wasn't designed
Ed Cogburn wrote:
On Sunday 17 April 2005 5:01pm, Thomas Steffen wrote:
However, for the end user that should not make a big difference. You
will have more mirrors,
For some users that *is* a big difference. :)
Agree. For a example, package maintainers often dishonor amd64-related bugs
because
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 12:47:27PM -0700, Max wrote:
Agree. For a example, package maintainers often dishonor amd64-related bugs
because of this very reason.
Their typical respond (see bugreport 304999 if interested):
``amd64 isn't an official debian architecture (yet), so i'm setting the
What do you mean by core archives server? Isn't that what (us.)debian.org
is, and what I'm referring to? Despite whatever the ping times are with
debian.org (when I was using i386 I was using a faster mirror too), it
doesn't have pauses in transfers like alioth has. Alioth appears overloaded,
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
And if Ubuntu takes hold Debian may *never* become a good choice for the desktop, that is what I fear, and that would mean abandoning Debian. :(
There are many people that really don't care particularly much about
desktop anything. I suspect they are often the people
On 4/18/05, Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I full agree here: Ubuntu is more attractive to the average end user.
But I do not understand why everybody is so upset about this. After
all, there is no one size fits all distribution.
No, I'm not saying Ubuntu will kill Debian or
On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 01:09 +0200, Julien Tailleur wrote:
By the way I never
understood why the debian community never released a nice
installation menu...
Debian's goal, as I understand it (I expect to be corrected if I'm
wrong) , is to have a universal installer. Install on PPC, sparq, ibm
On 4/17/05, Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know when amd64 port will be part of the mainstream sid?
Is there any site with updated status info?
Not that I know of. Currently, the release of Sarge is being prepared,
which keeps everybode busy. Once Sarge is released, the idea is to
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 11:01:10PM +0200, Thomas Steffen wrote:
On 4/17/05, Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know when amd64 port will be part of the mainstream sid?
Is there any site with updated status info?
Not that I know of. Currently, the release of Sarge is being prepared,
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