Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:54 PM Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > Is there anything on your mind that is missing above and that you'd like > to be shared with ARM? Feel free to reply here or discuss in > #debian-arm. (I'm ukleinek there.) Pretty sure just everything folks have been asking for for years c

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Diederik de Haas
On donderdag 10 juni 2021 21:43:38 CEST Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Just get _someone_ to make a good quality 64 bit server which doesn't cost > the earth and works well with UEFI and relatively standard interfaces > and components. +1 > get something that looks like a performant mini-ATX / itx bo

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Diederik de Haas
On donderdag 10 juni 2021 18:44:23 CEST Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > 3. How many years we need to wait for Arm systems to work out-of- > the-box? I mean unpack, connect input/video/power, boot generic > distro installer, install, reboot and use. So far there are > nearly no such ones out

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 07:43:38PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Just get _someone_ to make a good quality 64 bit server which doesn't cost > the earth and works well with UEFI and relatively standard interfaces > and components. > > AMD were doing this n years ago but the devices never got po

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 04:43:44PM +0200, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > Hello, > > next week there is a (virtual) meeting at ARM who invited some people > involved in Linux on ARM CPUs. One of the topics there is to tell them > Debian's needs and pain points. > > My current list (based on own experie

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 10 June 2021 15:03:22 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 10.06.2021 o 20:36, Gene Heskett pisze: > > On Thursday 10 June 2021 12:44:23 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > >> My questions (probably get ignored): > >> > >> 1. When CBSA spec gets released? It is mentioned in BSA spec but > >>

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 10.06.2021 o 20:36, Gene Heskett pisze: On Thursday 10 June 2021 12:44:23 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: My questions (probably get ignored): 1. When CBSA spec gets released? It is mentioned in BSA spec but not public. New acronym, please define. I can not as CBSA is all you have i

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello Peter, On 6/10/21 7:07 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote: On 6/10/21 7:43 AM, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: next week there is a (virtual) meeting at ARM who invited some people involved in Linux on ARM CPUs. One of the topics there is to tell them Debian's needs and pain points. where and how can I

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 10 June 2021 12:44:23 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 10.06.2021 o 16:43, Uwe Kleine-König pisze: > > next week there is a (virtual) meeting at ARM who invited some > > people involved in Linux on ARM CPUs. One of the topics there is to > > tell them Debian's needs and pain points.

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 6/10/21 7:43 AM, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hello, next week there is a (virtual) meeting at ARM who invited some people involved in Linux on ARM CPUs. One of the topics there is to tell them Debian's needs and pain points. where and how can I attend that meeting? My current list (based o

Re: Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 10.06.2021 o 16:43, Uwe Kleine-König pisze: next week there is a (virtual) meeting at ARM who invited some people involved in Linux on ARM CPUs. One of the topics there is to tell them Debian's needs and pain points. My current list (based on own experience and asking for feedback in

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Wookey
On 2021-06-10 06:53 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Are you just trolling? I find it very hard to believe that you actually support the thesis in your bizarre post. > If law initiatives also now want to take away the exclusive rights of > hardware designers > over their blueprints and he

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Alex Perez
Milan Kupcevic wrote on 6/10/21 6:10 AM: > On 6/10/21 12:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: The report and its recommendations may provide a means to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. >>> >>> It seems unlikel

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 06:53:57AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > So, why should laws protect the intellectual property of software companies > but not the IP of hardware companies? Ideally it shouldn't. > What supporters euphemistically call a "right to repair" is in reality an > init

Feedback from the community -> ARM

2021-06-10 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello, next week there is a (virtual) meeting at ARM who invited some people involved in Linux on ARM CPUs. One of the topics there is to tell them Debian's needs and pain points. My current list (based on own experience and asking for feedback in #debian-arm) currently has: - Fragmentati

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:54 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz < glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > >> The report and its recommendations may provide a means > >> to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. > > > > It seems unlikely t

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Milan Kupcevic
On 6/10/21 12:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: The report and its recommendations may provide a means to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. It seems unlikely to me that we will ever see a "Right to Repair" for software

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:07 AM deloptes wrote: > > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > So, why should laws protect the intellectual property of software > > companies but not the IP of hardware companies? > > > > Are patents not enough? > > > What supporters euphemistically call a "right to re

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 10 June 2021 00:53:57 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > >> The report and its recommendations may provide a means > >> to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced > >> firmware. > > > > It seems unlikely to me that we will ever se