Re: armhf kernels on arm64 hardware

2022-07-15 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 9:55 PM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 05:13:33PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > > Ah thanks Paul. I was wondering why we were being accused of 'Debian > > abandonning armhf' when it was news to me, and I'm just writing the > > 'ARM ports status' talk for

Re: armhf kernels on arm64 hardware

2022-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 09:46:59PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > It is generally possible to run 32-bit kernels on 64-bit hardware on x86, > some armv8 and mips, but there are a lot of downsides. On powerpc, > sparc, riscv, and newer armv8/v9, one has to run a 64-bit kernel. > > Traditionally

Re: armhf kernels on arm64 hardware

2022-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 05:13:33PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > Ah thanks Paul. I was wondering why we were being accused of 'Debian > abandonning armhf' when it was news to me, and I'm just writing the > 'ARM ports status' talk for Debconf next week. > > Clearly one normally does not run foreign-arch

Re: armhf kernels on arm64 hardware

2022-07-15 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 6:13 PM Wookey wrote: > On 2022-07-15 18:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 12:04 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On the other hand, if the armhf kernel does work on RPi4 with a few > config options, and there is an actual use case, then the question is >

Re: armhf kernels on arm64 hardware

2022-07-15 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2022-07-15, woo...@wookware.org wrote: > The question from Debian's POV is how many other people want to use > non-native arm kernels (and for what?). How many platforms is it > relevant to? And if there is a downside, how many does that effect, > and how/how much. For Reproducible Builds

Re: armhf kernels on arm64 hardware

2022-07-15 Thread Wookey
On 2022-07-15 13:40 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 7/15/22 12:16, Wookey wrote: > > > > Clearly one normally does not run foreign-arch kernels on hardware so > > we don't have to support it, and Ben is right to say 'this is not a > > bug'. > > > > On the other hand, if the armhf kernel does

Re: armhf kernels on arm64 hardware

2022-07-15 Thread gene heskett
On 7/15/22 12:16, Wookey wrote: On 2022-07-15 18:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 12:04 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: If you see /other/ problems with the 64-bit kernel (using the same user space, kernel source and kernel config as the 32-bit kernel), please report those to the

armhf kernels on arm64 hardware

2022-07-15 Thread Wookey
On 2022-07-15 18:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, 2022-07-15 at 12:04 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > If you see /other/ problems with the 64-bit kernel (using the > > same user space, kernel source and kernel config as the 32-bit > > kernel), please report those to the respective upstream