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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:48:25PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> I imagine ash is there so that it's easy to build discover for stable
> and have it work (stable didn't have dash). The easiest fix would be to
> switch the order and make the dependency 'dash | ash'.
That's probably true, but it's a
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> and have it work (stable didn't have dash).
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> The easiest fix would be to switch the order and make the dependency
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Hi debian boot!
Using the 03/10/2004 iso image of the installer I
tried to use it.
If you just press enter on boot he cycles himself
through the steps nicely.
Problems started in "Partition disks". They are
already partitioned and I don't want more
partitioning. But that option he doesn't seem t
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 01:03:27PM -0500, linux.eqed wrote:
> Comments/Problems:
> Installer did not recognize network, nor gave me options to configure
> it.. Just failed to find apt sources.. The NIC card is on the
> motherboard (Soyo P4865PE Plus Dragon2).
Did the installer insert the right mo
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Hi Eric,
IMO, it can be a discover problem (hardware detection) or a
kernel problem.What's your hard drive? Can you install a base
woody system there? If yes, let me know ASAP and we'll track
where the problem is faster.
I've tagged it as "sid" only problem, because the "deb
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Hi,
I recently looked for bogus debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages files
in sarge-i386-netinst.iso and in unofficial fsn.hu Sid DVD images but
was unable to find affected images.
I'm nearly sure that this bug was never related to debian-installer but
to a broken image generation.
It should be
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Am Aoine, 2004-03-12 ag 14:39, scrÃobh Jeff Bailey:
> On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 00:59, Roland Dreier wrote:
>
> > Finally, at least with some of the earlier images, my USB keyboard did
> > not work once the installer started up. Unfortunately the zx6000 does
> > not have a PS/2 keyboard connector so
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Roland Dreier wrote:
> Roland> I ran into a couple of problems and ended up giving up
> Roland> without being able to install a bootable Debian system.
> Roland> The first problem was that the kernel used by the
> Roland> installer did not include the mptscsih or mptbase modules,
>
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Machine: Custom, Soyo P4865PE Plus Dragon2, 512 MB, Pentium 4 3.2 GHtz,
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Thank you for your quick answers.
ramdisk_size argument works.
I think I will download a netinst iso to try latest d-i this week-end.
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Thank you for your quick answers.
ramdisk_size argument works.
I think I will download a netinst iso to try latest d-i this week-end.
Regards,
Franck
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:03:51 +0100, "Bernhard R. Link"
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>What about just
>'fast' 'custom' 'expert' for high medium and low.
>(perhaps having 'veryfast' for critical, too)
>
>(expert is still a bad word, as it also bear the confusion for a newbie
Perhaps 'verbose' would
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 01:17:41PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > If you have to do that anyway, use cfdisk or any
> > other partitioning tool for creating a FAT16 partition and then type
>
> This is not necessary. The standard setup is actually to not have any
> partition
* Martin Sjögren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-12 18:12]:
> > In another thread, I suggested "Partition disks (expert)" for partconf
> > and "Partition disks" alone for partman.
>
> First of all, unless there's been some serious hacking on partconf that
> I've missed, partconf doesn't do partitioni
Roland> I ran into a couple of problems and ended up giving up
Roland> without being able to install a bootable Debian system.
Roland> The first problem was that the kernel used by the
Roland> installer did not include the mptscsih or mptbase modules,
Roland> which are required
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fre 2004-03-12 klockan 07.10 skrev Christian Perrier:
> > cfdisk is not used on all architectures. There's also the queston of
> > what to call partconf.
>
> In another thread, I suggested "Partition disks (expert)" for partconf
> and "Partition disks" alone for partman.
First of all, unless ther
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Geert Stappers wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:51:44PM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> > The installer asks the password for root and optionally the password for the
> > normal user account. These passwords are saved in /etc/shadow.
> >
> > However, they are NOT encrypted with MD5 (i.e. st
Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> Yeah, I don't really like this. Would it be possible to have a
> different menu entry depending on the architecture? (For after beta3)
Yes, it would mean splitting the templates file and catting the right
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Christian Perrier wrote:
> In another thread, I suggested "Partition disks (expert)" for partconf
> and "Partition disks" alone for partman.
>
> That way, all partman-supported archs will have a quite clear choice
> and non partman supported archs will only have "expert" which is not
> really a pr
Christian Perrier wrote:
> Joey ? Should we split the bug and assign a "Please mark the locales
> package for installation as soon as something else than English (USA)
> is chosen" bug to debian-installer or base-config ?
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* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-12 11:22]:
> > That way, all partman-supported archs will have a quite clear choice
> > and non partman supported archs will only have "expert" which is not
> > really a problem as these architectures are indeed often used by
> > experts..:-)
>
> Well we co
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too late to test such a far-reaching change anyway, so don't expect this
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* Geert Stappers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040312 13:47]:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:51:10PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> > On Friday 12 March 2004 10:17, Erich Waelde wrote:
> > > NameSetting Description
> > > linux DEBCONF_PRIORITY=highminimum questions asked (recommended)
>
Roland Dreier wrote:
> I ran into a couple of problems and ended up giving up without being
> able to install a bootable Debian system. The first problem was that
> the kernel used by the installer did not include the mptscsih or
> mptbase modules, which are required for the zx6000's SCSI controll
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 00:59, Roland Dreier wrote:
> Finally, at least with some of the earlier images, my USB keyboard did
> not work once the installer started up. Unfortunately the zx6000 does
> not have a PS/2 keyboard connector so I was only able to do anything
> through the serial console.
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 08:03, Thomas Poindessous wrote:
> Ok, I found why. In initrd, /dev is not populated, and so there is no
> /dev/console when initrd is mounted. I don't know why, maybe it's
> related to devfs.
>
> Anyone has a idea ?
>
> PS : i did a mknod console c 5 1 in the initrd image
On Friday 12 March 2004 09:30, you wrote:
>
> Having booted from a CD
>
> Run lilocfg to regenerate your lilo config
>
> Rerun lilo from the hard drive
>
> You should see new entries DEB 0 DEB 1
>
> Rerun lilo again for good luck :)
>
> Reboot
>
> HTH - it worked for me.
>
> Andy
Unfortu
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> No idea, I already committed a simpler fix ;)
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 01:39:42PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> I've poked around some more.
> I can at least get the system up by booting with the options
> devfs=mount init=/bin/sh
>
> As far as I can tell it's trying to write past the end of the ram disk.
> I'd like to try and let it hav
I've poked around some more.
I can at least get the system up by booting with the options
devfs=mount init=/bin/sh
Then I can poke around and try to run d-i by hand.
It keeps dying when it gets up to running /sbin/di-main-menu
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I get a couple of
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On 12.III.2004 at 01:11 Martin Michlmayr wrote:
>
> I did:
>
> - auto partition
> - use entire disk
> - create a separate home
>
> Then it showed me a menu, on the top showing the partitions:
>
> #1 primary root
> #5 logical swap
> #6 logical home
>
> and below that I had 4 opti
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 10:25:30AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> Warning: unable to open an initial console.
Ok, I found why. In initrd, /dev is not populated, and so there is no
/dev/console when initrd is mounted. I don't know why, maybe it's
r
Hello,
Please rename file names of chinese translation (in /po).
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zh_TW.Big5.po -> zh_TW.po
Then, I will supplement all fuzzy and untranslated items.
BTW, I'm currently the co-ordinator of d-i's Simplified Chinese
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> Anyone had any success with booting the sparc64 daily netboot images?
> I've tried the images over the last few days and they all fail at the same
> point.
>
> This is trying to boo
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:10:04PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Package: discover
> Version: 1.5-2
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> discover has dependency:
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>
> But ash has dependency:
> Pre-Depends: dash
>
> So "ash | dash
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:51:10PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Friday 12 March 2004 10:17, Erich Waelde wrote:
> > would it seem reasonable to add another boot method (don't know a better
> > term) to d-i like so
> >
> > NameSetting Description
> > linux DEBCONF_PRIORITY=hig
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:51:44PM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> The installer asks the password for root and optionally the password for the
> normal user account. These passwords are saved in /etc/shadow.
>
> However, they are NOT encrypted with MD5 (i.e. strings beginning with $1$ in
> /e
Sorry for the confusion ;)
What I meant was that "passwd" after installation CORRECTLY creates MD5 sums
due to the CORRECT md5 entry in the appropriate PAM file.
So: PAM is just fine. Only the installer has a bug. It's not creating MD5
passwords.
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> I worked some time ago with an Ultra 10, the Creator board was an
> add-on, and when it was removed the base VGA port came back to
> life. Does the Ultra 1 also have this? Have you tried without the
> Creator?
I'm not very familiar with sun hardware, but
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:11:14PM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
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> The installer creates only DES encrypted passwords.
>
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The installer asks the password for root and optionally the password for the
normal user account. These passwords are saved in /etc/shadow.
However, they are NOT encrypted with MD5 (i.e. strings beginning with $1$ in
/etc/shadow), but with DES. When you change passwords via "passwd", they are
encr
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On Friday 12 March 2004 10:17, Erich Waelde wrote:
> would it seem reasonable to add another boot method (don't know a better
> term) to d-i like so
>
> NameSetting Description
> linux DEBCONF_PRIORITY=highminimum questions asked (recommended)
> custom DEBCONF_PRIORITY=m
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:03:44AM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> The problem seems to be a different one.
> Due to the default PAM configuration, a "passwd" uses MD5 passwords.
> The initial installer, however, creates DES passwords.
>
> Shall I file a new bug for that?
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:35:25AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Denis, do you think the proposed patch is OK for preserving modifier?
No idea, I already committed a simpler fix ;)
Denis
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:46:41AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote:
> > Well, does this really reflect newest unstable status?
> > I think ja.po of shadow and discover are already 100% translated.
>
> Dennis, you may print package version on your pages.
good idea. I will do that.
dennis
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Package: discover
Version: 1.5-2
Severity: critical
Tags: sid
Justification: breaks the whole system
The kernel module parport_pc.o hangs my computers (imac TFT 15" and
Tibook G4). I have filed a bug report about it to kernel-image. The
problem is that discover loads that module on boot always but
Package: installation-reports
Version: N/A
Severity: important
System Information:
AlphaServer 1000A/266, CD-Rom RRD45 as device DKA400 in firmware
It is connected to pka, the QLogic ISP10x0 in this machine,
not to the NCR 53C810.
This machine has 64MB RAM.
Images used:
Netboot-Businesscard-Ima
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:46:45AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Denis Barbier]
> > So writing all variables at the same time is the simplest solution.
> > How do you create /etc/environment?
>
> The proxy settings are inserted using cfengine, while the language
> settings are inserted usin
Quoting Denis Barbier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Fixed in CVS.
> There is one glitch though, @euro modifier is dropped by
> countrychooser (#234663).
That one can be fixed the same way we fixed 232049, imho
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Denis, do you think the proposed patch is OK for preserving modifier ?
I fear a bit writing bad shell code...and lack time for testing..
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1. Debian has a name and a font. The ones which get this wrong can be
rejected immediately. That means the logos by "Matthew A Nicholson" and
"Volkan YAZIKI" are right out.
I like all of the remaining ones, but this is my favourite:
http://sloth.voxel.net/~joshk/d-i-logos/b.png
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Anyone had any success with booting the sparc64 daily netboot images?
I've tried the images over the last few days and they all fail at the same
point.
The last few lines of the boot dmesg follow.
RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
Freeing i
[Denis Barbier]
> So writing all variables at the same time is the simplest solution.
> How do you create /etc/environment?
The proxy settings are inserted using cfengine, while the language
settings are inserted using a perl script. This is the cfengine rules:
# Enable proxy by default, but
The problem seems to be a different one.
Due to the default PAM configuration, a "passwd" uses MD5 passwords.
The initial installer, however, creates DES passwords.
Shall I file a new bug for that?
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> tags 237387 + pending
Bug#237387: locales: Should use debian-installer settings as defaults
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Tags added: pending
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 10:37:01AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> > Store locale in /etc/environment when it is different from en_US.
> > Closes: #237387
>
> Good idea, but bad implementation.
>
> > + [ -f $environment ] || [ "$locale" = en_US ] || echo "LANG=$locale" >
> > $environment
>
tags 237387 + pending
thanks
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 12:52:39PM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Package: debian-installer
>
> The selected installation language should be set as system-wide default.
> Example: When I select "de_DE" as installer language, my /etc/environment
> should contain
>
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 10:06:24AM +0100, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:13:27AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
>
> > I'm in the process of trying to finalize the "2nd-stage" package list.
>
> Will there be time _after_ the beta3 to finish these? The russian
> translati
On Friday 12 March 2004 10:10, Christian Perrier wrote:
> As Debian Installer uses the debian-installer/locale value for
> storing the user choices besides debian-installer/country and
> debian-installer/language, I hereby suggest that locales uses this
> value as a default.
I second this!
> For
> Store locale in /etc/environment when it is different from en_US.
> Closes: #237387
Good idea, but bad implementation.
> + [ -f $environment ] || [ "$locale" = en_US ] || echo "LANG=$locale" >
> $environment
This one will remove the current content of /etc/environment. That is
a bad idea.
Quoting Matt Kraai ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Please use "The ISO image you downloaded may be corrupt."
> Please use "You can choose to leave this file system intact,
> create a new file system, or create swap space."
Yeah. I think both may be changed without fuzzying translations as
this does not c
Hello,
Christian Perrier writes:
> Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> > > Not sure. Maybe "Partition disks" and "Partition disks (cfdisk)"
> > > since cfdisk might be a term people understand... but that's not ideal
> > > either. I'm sorry I don't have a good solution either. :/
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