Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Normally, you make changes because you have identified a problem > from user reports. But this is basically backwards, you see the > need for a change and you're now trying to find a justification > for it. Ok, so we will wait until users complain about tha

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2020-03-18 at 16:03 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 3/18/20 3:36 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > According to that logic you would have to replace the save icon in every > > > desktop application because we're no longer using floppy disks. > > [...] > > > > That has already hap

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Justin B Rye
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 3/18/20 3:26 PM, Justin B Rye wrote: >> Sure, and indeed I nearly mentioned "floppy" disk. But "hard disk" >> isn't a case where the new thing has taken over the old meaning; >> people don't generally say "pass me the hard disk" when they mean an >> SD card. >

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Justin B Rye
Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2020-03-18 at 10:11 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> According to that logic you would have to replace the save icon in every >> desktop application because we're no longer using floppy disks. > > That has already happened to many (most?) applications. One

Re: Bug#954200: DI encrypted LVM, discard option crypttab file

2020-03-18 Thread john doe
On 3/18/2020 3:44 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2020-03-18 at 11:27 +0100, john doe wrote: >> Package: debian-installer >> Version: debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso >> >> After installing debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso with encrypted LVM, the >> crypttab file is populated with the discard' opt

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/18/20 3:36 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> According to that logic you would have to replace the save icon in every >> desktop application because we're no longer using floppy disks. > [...] > > That has already happened to many (most?) applications. I actually just verified that and both Micros

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/18/20 3:26 PM, Justin B Rye wrote: > Sure, and indeed I nearly mentioned "floppy" disk. But "hard disk" > isn't a case where the new thing has taken over the old meaning; > people don't generally say "pass me the hard disk" when they mean an > SD card. That's because you are comparing apples

Bug#954200: DI encrypted LVM, discard option crypttab file

2020-03-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2020-03-18 at 11:27 +0100, john doe wrote: > Package: debian-installer > Version: debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso > > After installing debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso with encrypted LVM, the > crypttab file is populated with the discard' option in the fourth field. > > According to (1), t

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2020-03-18 at 10:11 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 3/18/20 9:58 AM, Holger Wansing wrote: > > while investigating a grub installation failure, I came across the main menu > > entry of grub-installer: > > "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" > > > > This is no lo

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Justin B Rye
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:> > On 3/18/20 11:43 AM, Justin B Rye wrote: >>> The majority of all users is able to perform the cognitive process to >>> that "hard disk" means "installation device" and "storage medium" here >>> is very confusing since that normally refers to a data disk and not >>> t

Bug#954134: [d-i bullseye alpha2] installing grub fails

2020-03-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 01:00:35PM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote: >Hi, > >Holger Wansing wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Holger Wansing wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Am Dienstag, 17. März 2020 schrieb Steve McIntyre: >> > Yes, I had it with alpha2, then tested with alpha1 (everything >> > fine) and then again te

Bug#954134: [d-i bullseye alpha2] installing grub fails

2020-03-18 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Holger Wansing wrote: > Hi, > > Holger Wansing wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Am Dienstag, 17. März 2020 schrieb Steve McIntyre: > > Yes, I had it with alpha2, then tested with alpha1 (everything > > fine) and then again tested with alpha2 to be able to > > provide logs. > > > > I can do further

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/18/20 11:43 AM, Justin B Rye wrote: >> The majority of all users is able to perform the cognitive process to >> that "hard disk" means "installation device" and "storage medium" here >> is very confusing since that normally refers to a data disk and not >> the system disk. > > The trouble wi

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/18/20 11:07 AM, Holger Wansing wrote: > Leaving it as is might however lead to the wrong assumption that > grub can only be installed on a hard disk. Or with other words, grub - for > some specific reason - does not work on SD cards (or USB thumb drives or ...). "Leaving it as is might howeve

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Justin B Rye
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 3/18/20 9:58 AM, Holger Wansing wrote: >> while investigating a grub installation failure, I came across the main menu >> entry of grub-installer: >> "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" >> >> This is no longer optimal, since we have flash/SSD d

Bug#954200: DI encrypted LVM, discard option crypttab file

2020-03-18 Thread john doe
Package: debian-installer Version: debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso After installing debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso with encrypted LVM, the crypttab file is populated with the discard' option in the fourth field. According to (1), the discard option has security implication: "discard Allow disca

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 3/18/20 9:58 AM, Holger Wansing wrote: > > while investigating a grub installation failure, I came across the main menu > > entry of grub-installer: > > "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" > > > > This is no longer optimal, since we have f

Re: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/18/20 9:58 AM, Holger Wansing wrote: > while investigating a grub installation failure, I came across the main menu > entry of grub-installer: > "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" > > This is no longer optimal, since we have flash/SSD drives, SD cards etc. where > OS'es are

Bug#954134: [d-i bullseye alpha2] installing grub fails

2020-03-18 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Holger Wansing wrote: > Hi, > > Am Dienstag, 17. März 2020 schrieb Steve McIntyre: > Yes, I had it with alpha2, then tested with alpha1 (everything > fine) and then again tested with alpha2 to be able to > provide logs. > > I can do further tests though, with different partitioning > scheme

Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk

2020-03-18 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, while investigating a grub installation failure, I came across the main menu entry of grub-installer: "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" This is no longer optimal, since we have flash/SSD drives, SD cards etc. where OS'es are installed on. So this should be changed, simil