Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2001-01-07 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Randolph Chung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If we do decide to install standard by default Yes, we need to do that. My reading of policy is that standard packages really ought to be installed by default w/o prompting. They are baseline, standard. > i favor the automatically- > do-tasksel -s

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-07 Thread Eric
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:21:28PM +, Wookey wrote: > On Sun 03 Dec, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > > > and I'm the schlub who has to maintain the old system until the new one is > > ready. > > And I'd just like to say that you do a very good job on that front. It's a > thankless task but a very i

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-07 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > That seems to be what Joey has done (joey, was that for potato or > woody?). Woody. > That is fine with me. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-07 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Randolph Chung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If we do decide to install standard by default i favor the automatically- > do-tasksel -s method; the psuedo-task method seems like a kludge to me. That seems to be what Joey has done (joey, was that for potato or woody?). That is fine with me. --

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-06 Thread Randolph Chung
> This can really be read two ways; either standard is selected if you pick > nothing else and deselected if you pick anything, or it is selected and > anything else you pick layers on top. Since the second is dselect's behavior, > I suspect the second meaning is the intended one. My concern is

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-06 Thread Joey Hess
Randolph Chung wrote: > > No -- I'm not saying that we create a new task package. I am merely > > saying that tasksel should have a selectable item on the list which is > > *not* from a task package, representing the packages at the standard > > priority. > > *grumble*, IMO this is much easier d

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-06 Thread Randolph Chung
> No -- I'm not saying that we create a new task package. I am merely > saying that tasksel should have a selectable item on the list which is > *not* from a task package, representing the packages at the standard > priority. *grumble*, IMO this is much easier done in base-config randolph -

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-06 Thread tytso
From: Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 06 Dec 2000 10:52:01 -0500 > Well, that's not really true, is it? Don't we write out /target/etc/modules > here? I don't think that we touch it any other time. modconf writes that file. The user can run modconf (or compile a new

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-06 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > Ted recommended that one of the tasks be made to represent the > > standard packages. I think this is a very good idea. Let it be > > checked by default. > > I think there are two problems: > > 1. How do we get this package; mu

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-06 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 01:49:26AM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > Well, for instance, even with booting with the 'compact' set, which > > has a lot of ethernet cards included, on my system at home, I need the > > 3c509 driver installed. So, if I w

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-06 Thread Wookey
On Sun 03 Dec, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > and I'm the schlub who has to maintain the old system until the new one is > ready. And I'd just like to say that you do a very good job on that front. It's a thankless task but a very important one and I think we're all impressed with the amount of work y

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-05 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 01:49:26AM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > Well, for instance, even with booting with the 'compact' set, which > has a lot of ethernet cards included, on my system at home, I need the > 3c509 driver installed. So, if I want to install the rest of the > system over the networ

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-05 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > Ted recommended that one of the tasks be made to represent the > standard packages. I think this is a very good idea. Let it be > checked by default. I think there are two problems: 1. How do we get this package; must it be rebuilt every time a package is added/remov

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-04 Thread Karl Hammar
Consulting --- From: Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install. Date: 04 Dec 2000 11:05:46 -0500 > Randolph Chung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Oh no, it's the "should tasksel autos

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-04 Thread Adam Di Carlo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >From: Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 03 Dec 2000 01:49:26 -0500 > >Well, as you probably already know, since the PCMCIA subsystem is by >definition in the form of kernel modules, the only way to solve this >would be to put cardmgr and the

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-04 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Randolph Chung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Oh no, it's the "should tasksel autoselect standard" question again. We > > had a talk about this last spring, and probably chose wrong. > > > > I've just uploaded to unstable a base-config that calls tasksel -s. > > Problem solved. > > Hrm th

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-03 Thread Erik Andersen
On Sun Dec 03, 2000 at 11:09:05AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > client. (No, I didn't realize that pump was installed by default, or I > would have used it, despite the fact that it violates the DHCP RFC's. > Why anyone would want to use pump is beyond me. I guess it is simple. > But anyway.

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-03 Thread tytso
From: Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 03 Dec 2000 01:49:26 -0500 Well, as you probably already know, since the PCMCIA subsystem is by definition in the form of kernel modules, the only way to solve this would be to put cardmgr and the pcmcia modules on the "root" filesys

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-03 Thread Randolph Chung
> Oh no, it's the "should tasksel autoselect standard" question again. We > had a talk about this last spring, and probably chose wrong. > > I've just uploaded to unstable a base-config that calls tasksel -s. > Problem solved. Hrm there are currently 90 "standard" packages in woody that add

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-03 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > Yes, this is very true. I think this is a newt bug or something, > which is already filed. It really needs to be improved. There is a simple fix for it, you just make the color of the button when inactive be the same as the color of the rest of the dialog box or screen. S

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-02 Thread Adam Di Carlo
I'm going to reply to relevant bits of this email, hopefully not being too redundant. As Joey already pointed out, we've stepped back, looked at our installation system, and decided to throw it out and start from scratch. Well, Joey's doing that, and I'm the schlub who has to maintain the old s

Re: [VA-Debian] Comments from a first-time Debian install.....

2000-12-02 Thread Joey Hess
I'm going to send this to debian-boot, it's the right place mostly and I think everyone will appreciate these comments. Ted, I have some comments (rather far) below, and you should know we're in the process of rewriting the whole installer and those of us on the debian-boot list are well aware o