Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Package: debian-installer Severity: normal Dear Debian Installer team, First of all, I reside in a place where all access to internet is through HTTP proxy, but we have a Debian mirror which is accessible from inside without proxy. I just tried one of the daily build netboot installer, and the

Processed: Re: Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 448871 clock-setup 0.92 Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time Bug reassigned from package `debian-installer' to `clock-setup'. severity 448871 important Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time Severity set

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Frans Pop
reassign 448871 clock-setup 0.92 severity 448871 important thanks On Thursday 01 November 2007, Kumar Appaiah wrote: I just tried one of the daily build netboot installer, and the only problem I faced is that it just waited at the ntp syncing stage. I don't know whether it times out, but I

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: reassign 448871 clock-setup 0.92 severity 448871 important thanks On Thursday 01 November 2007, Kumar Appaiah wrote: I just tried one of the daily build netboot installer, and the only problem I faced is that it just waited at the ntp syncing stage. I

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Joey Hess
Frans Pop wrote: This basically means that the current time-out is just too long for practical use as is. An alternative option could be to make it possible to cancel the action, just like we do for looking for a DHCP server. Yep, all network-facing progress bars in d-i need a cancel

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Joey Hess
block 448871 436497 thanks The clock-setup progress bar cannot safely be made cancelable until this bug in newt is fixed. To make the progress bar cancelable, clock-setup would need to use PROGRESS INFO or PROGRESS_STEP periodically to poll for a return code indicating cancel was hit. But both of

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Rick Thomas
Using ntp to set the time should be a short operation. If it takes a long time, the validity of the time that results is in question -- by virtue of the process[*] being used. Rick [*] For those who care, it works roughly like this: One or more polls are sent from the client to each of

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Jim Paris
Rick Thomas wrote: Using ntp to set the time should be a short operation. If it takes a long time, the validity of the time that results is in question -- by virtue of the process[*] being used. Unless it's slow becuase of something like the initial DNS lookup. -jim -- To

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Joey Hess
Rick Thomas wrote: Using ntp to set the time should be a short operation. If it takes a long time, the validity of the time that results is in question -- by virtue of the process[*] being used. Careful, you're confusing SNTP and NTP. You're also oversimplifying. NTP is very good at

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Rick Thomas
On Nov 1, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Jim Paris wrote: Rick Thomas wrote: Using ntp to set the time should be a short operation. If it takes a long time, the validity of the time that results is in question -- by virtue of the process[*] being used. Unless it's slow becuase of something like the

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Rick Thomas
Ahhh... So the installer time-setter uses rdate, not NTP? A wise choice, now that I think about it. Much lighter weight protocol, and the client is much *much* smaller. Infact, rdate doesn't even use SNTP. It just asks the server for the time of day (one second resolution) and puts it

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Joey Hess
Rick Thomas wrote: Ahhh... So the installer time-setter uses rdate, not NTP? A wise choice, now that I think about it. Much lighter weight protocol, and the client is much *much* smaller. Infact, rdate doesn't even use SNTP. rdate, as used by the installer, uses SNTP. The point

Bug#448871: Should give us the option of syncing time

2007-11-01 Thread Rick Thomas
On Nov 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Joey Hess wrote: rdate, as used by the installer, uses SNTP. A... (again) This was added fairly recently. Interesting. The point remains. The uncertainty in the time from the server is proportional (or worse) to the network delay. Not with SNTP it