Quoting Christian Perrier:
In the Taiwan case, one solution proposed has been asking the
taiwanese developer (there's only one).
This is a possible solution, sure. But what if this one individual is
indeed biased himself, who can tell?
(I do not suggest our Taiwanese DD is.I just raised a coun
I demand that Steve Langasek may or may not have written...
[snip]
> if you choose 'English', you're presented with a list of English-speaking
> countries with supported locales, with 'Other' at the bottom if you need to
> pick a country that doesn't have a supported locale.
Were I for some reaso
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Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
Le jeudi 6 Mai 2004 19:40, Roger So a Ãcrit :
So theorectically you have six combinations here:
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Yes, but no
Le jeudi 6 Mai 2004 19:40, Roger So a Ãcrit :
> OK, here's my take.
Thanks for discussing about language issues.
> People in Hong Kong speak Cantonese. People in Taiwan speak Mandarin.
> People in mainland China speak Putonghua. (Yes, I know Putonghua and
> Mandarin are essentially the same thin
> http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/writing/references.jsp
Really interesting reference with good argumentation.
I take the following point:
In particular, do not use references or include them in lists that
suggest they are countries. Using âcountry or regionâ as a title in
Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > What makes you think that will never change ? Why not imagine having a
> > "version quebecoise" at some time ?
>
> I have not claimed that it won't change; I'm merely pointing out that
> the existing design does accomodate regional language variant
> Same as above if the considered french is not actually french, but
> french-speaking canadian.
For technical things, our Quebec cousins speaks the same language than
us, thankfully...more or less...:-)
>
> The main point is that making people choose a "country" is definitely
> not a natural
This is first a followup on a specific topic, which further derives in
more general design considerations. Please followup to -boot.
Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> ... which is a problem, because what you really want is
>
> 1) Choose Brazilian Portuguese
> 2) Be presented
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 10:59:20AM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote:
> Steve Langasek wrote:
> >And this is not what it's used for. There is only *one* French
> >translation for d-i, and likewise only one German, Japanese, or Spanish.
> What makes you think that will never change ? Why not imagine having
Steve Langasek wrote:
And this is not what it's used for. There is only *one* French
translation for d-i, and likewise only one German, Japanese, or Spanish.
What makes you think that will never change ? Why not imagine having a
"version quebecoise" at some time ?
The other problem is that it se
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 09:05:48AM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote:
> Christian Perrier wrote:
> >Brazilian in Japan:
> > 1) Chooses Portuguese (other countries)
> > 2) Is presented with all countries with valid pt_XX locales:
> > -Portugal
> > -Brazil
> > -Other
> > 3) Chooses Other. Then
Christian Perrier wrote:
Brazilian in Japan:
1) Chooses Portuguese (other countries)
2) Is presented with all countries with valid pt_XX locales:
-Portugal
-Brazil
-Other
3) Chooses Other. Then get all countries and pick "Japan"
Then the problem is that this person won't get th
> Why? You're never going to make China happy by calling it Taiwan, or
> Taiwan happy by calling it Taiwan, Province of China. So use the same
> code zh_TW and let people call the display name whatever the hell they
> want to call it.
how about there just not be a display name for this region A
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:44:12PM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:34:41PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 11:03:29AM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> > > How nutty would it be to have *both* options available and some sort of
> > > switch to Togg
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:34:41PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 11:03:29AM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> > How nutty would it be to have *both* options available and some sort of
> > switch to Toggle between the two? Or at least a patchset or something.
>
> Very.
>
>
> Changing the standard *is* participate in this (political) issue.
Unfortunately so is *not* changing the standard, which is presumably how
this debate got started.
Ben.
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Steve Langasek writes:
> We currently do one better: if you choose 'English', you're presented
> with a list of English-speaking countries with supported locales, with
> 'Other' at the bottom if you need to pick a country that doesn't have a
> supported locale.
That does sound better.
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On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 11:03:29AM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:44:55AM +0800, Wang WenRui wrote:
> > Around 18 o'clock on 06 May, Dale Amon wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 12:19:05AM +0800, Wang WenRui wrote:
> > >
> > > Just make sure you have the options avail
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 12:39:53PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Christian Perrier writes:
> > If the user thinks "hey, I am American, thus I choose "English
> > (USA)"bingo..:-)
> Right. He thinks he is choosing English as spoken in the USA, not English
> as his language and USA as his area.
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:32:02PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > Huh ? From your explanation, I understood that the bresilian will pick
> > portuguese and then will choose between japan and brasil, depending on
> > what he understands from "choose
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:44:55AM +0800, Wang WenRui wrote:
> Around 18 o'clock on 06 May, Dale Amon wrote:
> > On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 12:19:05AM +0800, Wang WenRui wrote:
> >
> > Just make sure you have the options available.
> What the text(Taiwan, Province of China) is must be decided in d-i
Christian Perrier writes:
> If the user thinks "hey, I am American, thus I choose "English
> (USA)"bingo..:-)
Right. He thinks he is choosing English as spoken in the USA, not English
as his language and USA as his area.
> However, the mixed choices for very common choices saves users one
>
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:44:55AM +0800, Wang WenRui wrote:
> > Likewise anyplace else where nationality is an
> Do NOT assume it as a matter of course when you say "Likewise". The case
> in China is not like the one in UK.
People are the same everywhere. They have a right to
decide for themselve
Around 18 o'clock on 06 May, Dale Amon wrote:
> On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 12:19:05AM +0800, Wang WenRui wrote:
>
> Just make sure you have the options available.
What the text(Taiwan, Province of China) is must be decided in d-i.
>
>
> We'd have two options. UK and Ireland. You'll
> see one flag
Quoting Dale Amon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> The only authority on what is a nation are the people
> who live there. When in doubt, ask them.
Which ones, catholics or orangists (I don't remember the common
name)? No offense intended here, but I think you get the point. Same
for Basque Country, by the
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 12:19:05AM +0800, Wang WenRui wrote:
> Around 16 o'clock on 06 May, Dale Amon wrote:
> > The only authority on what is a nation are the people
> > who live there. When in doubt, ask them.
> Can you ask them all? vote?
Just make sure you have the options available.
> > D.A
Around 16 o'clock on 06 May, Dale Amon wrote:
> On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:09:41AM +0200, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
>
> The only authority on what is a nation are the people
> who live there. When in doubt, ask them.
Can you ask them all? vote?
>
> D.Amon, Belfast, Northern Ireland
>
signature.
Quoting Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Huh ? From your explanation, I understood that the bresilian will pick
> portuguese and then will choose between japan and brasil, depending on
> what he understands from "choose your country". The french will choose
> between japan and eventually fran
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:09:41AM +0200, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> Le mercredi 5 Mai 2004 22:16, Humberto Massa a ?crit :
> > Google is always our friend; Taiwan and Hong Kong are countries at least
> > in the definitions ## 2, 3, 5, 7 *and* 9 below. If it's in the Web, it
> > ougha be true.
>
>
Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
So there's a configuration path difference between a French in Japan, an
American English in Japan and a Brasilian in Japan...
No
Huh ? From your explanation, I understood that the bresilian will pick
portuguese and then will cho
Jean-Michel POURE writes:
> Stop refering to Google.
Google is often an excellent source of information on what is common
practice.
> The only world authority are the United-Nations.
The UN has no authority over Debian.
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Christian Perrier wrote:
In the case you cite here, the chosen "country" is only used by
further packages which need a "location" such as the timezone
configuration step and (but not yet implemented) the mirror settings.
So there's a configuration path difference between a French in Japan, an
Amer
Quoting Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> So there's a configuration path difference between a French in Japan, an
> American English in Japan and a Brasilian in Japan...
No
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Christian Perrier wrote:
(...)
Finally, on this short screen, you can choose "Other" which will drop
you into the world "country" list (the iso-3166 list). Choosing a
country there will only set the country value, but NOT the locale
value because this will be an unsupported locale.
What is the mean
Quoting Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> of setting up /etc/apt/sources.list after the first reboot. It could
> also be used to produce a reasonable default choice of timezone,
> although I'm not sure if it actually is at the moment.
It is used for this.
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Quoting Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Christian Perrier wrote:
> (...)
> >Finally, on this short screen, you can choose "Other" which will drop
> >you into the world "country" list (the iso-3166 list). Choosing a
> >country there will only set the country value, but NOT the locale
> >value bec
Le jeudi 6 Mai 2004 12:42, Miles Bader a écrit :
> Stop refering to Google. The only world authority are the United-Nations.
> Only because we didn't have google.
I see, you are refering to "Google-Nations".
Jean-Michel POURE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Stop refering to Google. The only world authority are the United-Nations.
Only because we didn't have google.
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On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 04:12:17AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Adam Majer wrote:
> > Indeed. The word "country" needs to be replaced by "locale" or
> > similar.
>
> That's a good choice, actually, especially given that the technical
> name for the thing which this selection is used for is ind
Quoting Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Okay, but in all these steps, what is actually done by localechooser and
> by countrychooser ? I read the thread (well, I must say I didn't read
> ALL the thread...) but I still can't figure out which is which and what
> it does. Also note that it's be
Christian Perrier wrote:
(...)
Please please please have a real look on how Debian Installer works
before throwing ideas in the wild, if possible.
The above case is perfectly dealt with by d-i. English speaking
Canadians will choose "English (other countries)" at first screen,
then "Canada" at seco
Le mercredi 5 Mai 2004 22:16, Humberto Massa a écrit :
> Google is always our friend; Taiwan and Hong Kong are countries at least
> in the definitions ## 2, 3, 5, 7 *and* 9 below. If it's in the Web, it
> ougha be true.
Stop refering to Google. The only world authority are the United-Nations.
Adam Majer wrote:
> Indeed. The word "country" needs to be replaced by "locale" or similar.
That's a good choice, actually, especially given that the technical name for
the thing which this selection is used for is indeed "locale". Despite the
"language_country" form of locales (which was misguid
Quoting Adam Majer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Indeed. The word "country" needs to be replaced by "locale" or similar.
> It might be best to drop the word country in to avoid any "international
> incidents". For example, Canada has two locales, English and French. You
> don't say,
>
> Choose your c
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 07:05:00AM +0800, David Palmer wrote:
@ 05/05/2004 11:40 : wrote Wang WenRui :
The 2nd screen of d-i:
/-[Choose *country*]-\
| Choose your country: |
|
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