On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:36:37AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Pretty sure it's either dbus(-{daemon,launch}) or systemd-udev.
Yes I think you are right, I must have misread the line in ps somehow.
> Please stop posting random rants on debian-boot@.
Fair enough.
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Lennart Sorensen (2014-11-24):
> I tested it out with a fairly minimal install and it worked fine (well
> systemd-dbus is running, but that isn't init and hence not what I was
> testing).
Pretty sure it's either dbus(-{daemon,launch}) or systemd-udev.
> So I learned a bit about preseed, and am f
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:37:41PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Debian has agreed via the tech-ctte and via the recent GR that installing
> systemd by default on new installations *is* the *right thing*.
>
> And jessie is frozen. Since ages ;-)
>
> Please accept that.
>
> That said, useful pa
Hi Phil,
On Sonntag, 23. November 2014, Philip Hands wrote:
> Then again, I've used d-i as a presentation tool[1] -- I'm clearly
> deranged.
> [1] http://hands.com/d-i/lenny/classes/ukuug06/early_script
nice! I was looking for that pointer since (iirc) KiBi reminded me of it's
existance at the re
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:28:32AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> the last time this was mentioned in this very thread was less than 12h ago.
Oh the link to a comment in a bug report happens to contain something
useful.
I will agree that it was indirectly mentioned then.
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On Montag, 24. November 2014, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> So far preseed has been mentioned, although without
> any details on exactly what would be needed.
the last time this was mentioned in this very thread was less than 12h ago.
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:37:41PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Debian has agreed via the tech-ctte and via the recent GR that installing
> systemd by default on new installations *is* the *right thing*.
>
> And jessie is frozen. Since ages ;-)
A few weeks is hardly ages in the Debian release cy
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 22:43:53 +, Brian Potkin wrote:
> I think needs fixing for this to work.
^
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On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 20:36:42 +, Philip Hands wrote:
> If you want a way to do a non-shell based preseed, you _may_ be able to
> get away with some combination of these:
>
> =-=-=-=-
> Template: base-installer/includes
> Type: string
> Description: for internal use; can be preseeded
> Packa
On Sonntag, 23. November 2014, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> Perhaps it is time someone who actually knows how to make it do the
> right thing to document it officially.
Debian has agreed via the tech-ctte and via the recent GR that installing
systemd by default on new installations *is* the *right t
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:36:42PM +, Philip Hands wrote:
> Ah, oh well then.
>
> If one starts preseeding many of the internal bits of d-i, one can do
> pretty much anything you like (and loads of things you don't like ;-) ).
>
> If you're worried about recomending such things, I'd say that
Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 14:31:00)
>> Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-23):
If you're unhappy about the initial systemd installation, that's too
bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not
at this late stage of the release cy
...just a small addition...
On Sonntag, 23. November 2014, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Yes, you seem to have misunderstood me, because I did write this instead:
> So please use the available mechanisms to “avoid” systemd if you
> “need” doing so, and move on?
and "moving on" could perfectly
Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-23):
> Use of a root shell can turn a Debian system into a non-Debian system
> (by messing with the system in ways not following our defined rules).
> Blame is on the user for doing so. Typos are unsupported.
>
> Use of declarative hints should make it hard to do the
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 14:31:00)
> Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-23):
>>> If you're unhappy about the initial systemd installation, that's too
>>> bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not
>>> at this late stage of the release cycle, to behave differently
>>> d
Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2014-11-23 14:15:27)
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 02:02:57PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 13:13:05)
>>> Well, I'm really unsure what you're calling inaccurate in the third
>>> point.
>>
>> It is that "preseeding" is the mechanism used
Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-23):
> > If you're unhappy about the initial systemd installation, that's too
> > bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not
> > at this late stage of the release cycle, to behave differently
> > depending on the target distribution. The current sc
Thorsten Glaser (2014-11-23):
> Cyril Brulebois dixit:
>
> >bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not at
> >this late stage of the release cycle, to behave differently depending
> >on the target distribution. The current script covers all suites from
>
> This is not nece
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 02:02:57PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 13:13:05)
> > Well, I'm really unsure what you're calling inaccurate in the third
> > point.
>
> It is that "preseeding" is the mechanism used - but I may indeed be
> wrong:
>
> I assumed the
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-23 13:13:05)
> Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-23):
>> Quoting Erich Schubert (2014-11-23 09:50:12)
>>> 1. There is a wide consensus that Debian continues to allow other
>>> init systems.
>>> 2. The installer (currently) does install systemd.
>>> 3. The installer CAN be
Cyril Brulebois dixit:
>bad, because we're not going to change debootstrap, especially not at
>this late stage of the release cycle, to behave differently depending
>on the target distribution. The current script covers all suites from
This is not necessary. Well, not at first.
The changes to de
Jonas Smedegaard dixit:
>> 3. The installer CAN be used to install sysvinit via preseeding (and
>> admins should know how to use preseeding to install systems...)
[…]
>script late in the install process to replace init-related packages
>already installed by debian-installer.
Indeed. You can also
Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-23):
> Quoting Erich Schubert (2014-11-23 09:50:12)
> > 1. There is a wide consensus that Debian continues to allow other init
> > systems.
> > 2. The installer (currently) does install systemd.
> > 3. The installer CAN be used to install sysvinit via preseeding (and
> >
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Quoting Erich Schubert (2014-11-23 09:50:12)
> 1. There is a wide consensus that Debian continues to allow other init
> systems.
> 2. The installer (currently) does install systemd.
> 3. The i
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