Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-05-03 Thread Robert Millan
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 07:16:33PM +1000, Paul Wise wrote: > > grub2 doesn't seem to support my current fs (reiser3). > > What other such regressions are there? > > Is there a wiki page for this transition yet? I just set up one: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition -- Robert Millan My s

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-30 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:06:07PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Is anybody else using grub2 as a default bootloader today? A while before the etch release, I migrated all my etch machines to it. I went back to grub legacy when we decided that grub2 wasn't going to be included in etch, but it wa

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 30 April 2007 17:57, Robert Millan wrote: > > > - wrong detection of correct boot device in BIOS > > Can you be more specific? #265228, #317606, #420376 and others pgp38xpIu8c0N.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-30 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 02:02:18PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:59, Otavio Salvador wrote: > >> We, the GRUB team, want to swtich to GRUB2 due many reasons, basicaly: > >> - better codebase; > > > > Is grub2 fundamentall

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-29 Thread Luca Brivio
Steve Langasek wrote: > If the intent really is to drop grub1, I agree that grub2 should be renamed > to 'grub' to ensure a smooth upgrade path. Couldn't BTW grub become an empty package depending either on grub2 or on grub1? (this seems more clean, and would allow for different dependencies on

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-26 Thread Paul Wise
On 4/25/07, Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We, the GRUB team, want to swtich to GRUB2 due many reasons, basicaly: Looking at these: http://grub.enbug.org/CurrentStatus#head-3aeedb23576d9559e29d0da487861a82761d0f87 http://grub.enbug.org/TodoList#head-45b6c08cea58b68a06b6b8e4b290588

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 06:09:55PM -0300, Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok. This means that the actual upgrade from grub1 to grub2 should be > > totally safe for all users by default, because grub-install is not > > automatically run, yes? > > Yes. It won't change the system unt

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 05:14:09PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Frans already asked most of the questions that I had. A few others: > > > > Is anybody else using grub2 as a default bootloader today? > > Not yet. Just an entry point, which may

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 05:14:09PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: >> > Hrm. What was wrong with the existing format? :/ Those are the kinds of >> > upstream changes that are most aggravating for administrators (or at least >> > for this administrator h

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 05:14:09PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > >> The upgrade from grub to grub2 will be transparent since menu.list can > >> be automaticaly converted to the new format and this will be in place > >> when we start the default boot-loader change. > > Hrm. What was wrong with t

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Frans already asked most of the questions that I had. A few others: > > Is anybody else using grub2 as a default bootloader today? Not yet. > Has testing of grub2 explicitly included testing on older x86 systems, given > that we've found that i486 wa

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 09:59:51AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > We, the GRUB team, want to swtich to GRUB2 due many reasons, basicaly: > - easier to maintain; > - better codebase; > - multi-arch support; "support for multiple architectures" :) > Our current plan is to finish the update-gru

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:59, Otavio Salvador wrote: >> We, the GRUB team, want to swtich to GRUB2 due many reasons, basicaly: >> - better codebase; > > Is grub2 fundamentally different from grub, or is it basically based on > the current grub but just

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:59, Otavio Salvador wrote: > We, the GRUB team, want to swtich to GRUB2 due many reasons, basicaly: > - better codebase; Is grub2 fundamentally different from grub, or is it basically based on the current grub but just developed further? > - multi-arch support; D

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 10:52:50AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Our current plan is to finish the update-grub2 merging on upstream > >> side (being handled by Robert) and then upload a new package to > >> Debian. This package after moving to lenn

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geert Stappers) writes: > Op 25-04-2007 om 10:18 schreef Otavio Salvador: >> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > I wonder if we will also move from yaboot-installer to grub2-installer >> > on powerpc, and if you have given any thought to that migration path ? >> >

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Our current plan is to finish the update-grub2 merging on upstream >> side (being handled by Robert) and then upload a new package to >> Debian. This package after moving to lenny ought be set as default >> boot-loader in grub-installer (while we still

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 09:59:51AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > We, the GRUB team, want to swtich to GRUB2 due many reasons, basicaly: > > - easier to maintain; > - better codebase; > - multi-arch support; > - active upstream;

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Geert Stappers
Op 25-04-2007 om 10:18 schreef Otavio Salvador: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I wonder if we will also move from yaboot-installer to grub2-installer > > on powerpc, and if you have given any thought to that migration path ? > > Our main goal is to switch i386 and amd64 first.

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I wonder if we will also move from yaboot-installer to grub2-installer > on powerpc, and if you have given any thought to that migration path ? Our main goal is to switch i386 and amd64 first. We intend to use GRUB2 as much as possible also to reduce th

Re: Proposed release goal: Switch to GRUB2

2007-04-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 09:59:51AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > We, the GRUB team, want to swtich to GRUB2 due many reasons, basicaly: > > - easier to maintain; > - better codebase; > - multi-arch support; > - active upstream;