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From: Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Make the system bootable, was: beta 2 update
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:30:30PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:30:30PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:
[snippage]
I'm coming into this thread uberlate so feel free to flame me for talking
uninformed but...
Two points:
- I don't believe that new Linux users trying to dual-boot Windows and
Linux are the primary audience that
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:30:30PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:
- I don't believe that new Linux users trying to dual-boot Windows and
Linux are the primary audience that the installer has to cater to.
They're important, but I think that Debian in particular has tended
to be better at
Op do 08-01-2004, om 17:13 schreef Steve Langasek:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:33:41AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:30:30PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:
- I don't believe that new Linux users trying to dual-boot Windows and
Linux are the primary audience that
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:33:41AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:30:30PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:
- I don't believe that new Linux users trying to dual-boot Windows and
Linux are the primary audience that the installer has to cater to.
They're important,
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 10:47:01PM +0100, Erich Waelde wrote:
I keep thinking about the boot loader point in d-i. There were
several points in previous discussions (references see below)
with different points of view. I would like to collect this here
along with my thougts.
Currently
[Joey Hess]
Are you talking about the reported freeze in serial console after
languagechooser, or just a general, non-user-visible cleanup?
I am talking about a general non-user-visible cleanup, to make sure
kbd-chooser, lilo-installer, grub-installer (and possibly other
packages) use common
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
[Joey Hess]
Are you talking about the reported freeze in serial console after
languagechooser, or just a general, non-user-visible cleanup?
I am talking about a general non-user-visible cleanup, to make sure
kbd-chooser, lilo-installer, grub-installer (and possibly
Quoting Harald Dunkel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
grub-installer? You mean d-i supports grub?
Sure
I have never seen this option at installation time.
How can I avoid Lilo in favour of Grub?
Lower debconf priority and the boot loader installation entries will
show up on main-menu.
lilo is still
--- Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James J. Ramsey wrote:
I tested the Jan 3rd i386 netinst iso. It still
doesn't work with older ATAPI CD-ROMs that can't
handle DMA, since 1) the standard kernel parameter
ide=nodma gets mysteriously ignored by the
installer,
There is nothing
James J. Ramsey wrote:
The documentation on expert mode in the
INSTALLATION-HOWTO is a little thin, but you *seem* to
be saying that just to turn off DMA for the CD-ROM, I
have resort to avoid using Debian's hardware detection
and load the modules manually with modconf. I *hope*
you aren't
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Your comment about freezing the udebs in unstable made me conclude
that I would be unable to get these fixes into d-i before the sarge
release.
Must be a misunderstanding then. The udebs are frozen in testing for
beta 2. When beta 3 is ready, it will replace all the
Christian Perrier wrote:
Lower debconf priority and the boot loader installation entries will
show up on main-menu.
Wouldn't you admit that this is _very_ hard to find?
lilo is still the default boot loader (no idea whether this is
supposed to change) but grub is definitely a possible choice.
I
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 08:16:39PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
Christian Perrier wrote:
Lower debconf priority and the boot loader installation entries will
show up on main-menu.
Wouldn't you admit that this is _very_ hard to find?
Do you really think that choosing a bootloader should be a
--- Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James J. Ramsey wrote:
The documentation on expert mode in the
INSTALLATION-HOWTO is a little thin, but you
*seem* to
be saying that just to turn off DMA for the
CD-ROM, I
have resort to avoid using Debian's hardware
detection
and load the
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 08:16:39PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
Christian Perrier wrote:
Lower debconf priority and the boot loader installation entries will
show up on main-menu.
Wouldn't you admit that this is _very_ hard to find?
Do you really think that choosing a
I was advised that to workaround my pet problem of my
CD-ROM's broken support for DMA that I was to use the
expert install. I was told that since the installer in
expert mode prompts me to pass parameters to a module
it is about to load, I can pass the appropriate
parameters to the module that
James J. Ramsey wrote:
I was advised that to workaround my pet problem of my
CD-ROM's broken support for DMA that I was to use the
expert install. I was told that since the installer in
expert mode prompts me to pass parameters to a module
it is about to load, I can pass the appropriate
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 11:21:18PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
But asking the same novice installer to chose between
/dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/disc
and
/dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc
for installing the boot sector is?
No, but that's the best we have right now.
debian-installer in the debian archive has been branched for beta 2.
The udebs and installation images have been copied to testing. Changes
necessary to get ports working for beta 2 can be propigated into
testing; let me know about updated packages that need to go in.
However, I will likely only
--- Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unless we find something badly wrong with them, the
installation images
currently in testing for i386, and the Jan 3rd i386
isos will be the
final images used for beta 2 for i386.
I tested the Jan 3rd i386 netinst iso. It still
doesn't work with
[Joey Hess]
Remember that the udebs in unstable should be considered frozen now,
except for the changes needed for ports.
I have several updates in my tree, waiting for alioth to get back
online. The last few days you are the only one that have been able to
upload changes into the archive, as
At 5 Jan 04 00:11:35 GMT,
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Remember that the udebs in unstable should be considered frozen now,
except for the changes needed for ports.
I have several updates in my tree, waiting for alioth to get back
online. The last few days you are the only one that have
James J. Ramsey wrote:
I tested the Jan 3rd i386 netinst iso. It still
doesn't work with older ATAPI CD-ROMs that can't
handle DMA, since 1) the standard kernel parameter
ide=nodma gets mysteriously ignored by the installer,
There is nothing mysterious about it. Read the module HOWTO.
and
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
I have several updates in my tree, waiting for alioth to get back
online. The last few days you are the only one that have been able to
upload changes into the archive, as CVS no longer have been available
to coordinate the development, and at least I have been
I wrote:
We will need to change the CD build scripts around a bit now, so that
daily CDs are built (especially for non-i386 arches) that contain the
debs from testing, but the udebs from unstable (and appropriately
developmental versions of the initrds as well). This is so that we can
test
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