Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:56:58AM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: On 10/09/14 07:40, Adam Borowski wrote: I think the DebianDesktop requalification table lacks an important row: the availability of the desktop environment in question on all Debian architectures. Not everyone has been

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-11 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 11/09/14 16:36, Adam Borowski wrote: What happens otherwise if trying to start GNOME3 (or others)? * without 3D, with llvmpipe * without both llvmpipe doesn't work at all -- not ported to -- on !x86 !armhf. Does it fall back gracefully to a fallback/flashback mode, and does that still

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 06:11:22PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: On 11/09/14 16:36, Adam Borowski wrote: What happens otherwise if trying to start GNOME3 (or others)? * without 3D, with llvmpipe * without both llvmpipe doesn't work at all -- not ported to -- on !x86 !armhf.

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 05:36:18PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: I just re-checked on powerpc in qemu, unlike my other setups it's not a real machine, but qemu is at least a reproducible setup without out-of-archive bits like all three of my armhf rigs. I'd say you'd need 'availability' or

Re: Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-11 Thread Michael Biebl
So it looks like gnome3 is the only one that doesn't work on most architectures. You tested qemu, not real hardware. For your tests to be really meaningful, they would have to be done on actual hardware. That said, I don't see a good reason why availability on architectures should be a

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-11 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 11/09/14 19:26, Adam Borowski wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 06:11:22PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: Fair enough if a Debian desktop doesn't want to support toy architectures (I don't mind use of this term). So you call all but two[1] of Debian architectures (14+9) toys[2]? Where

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-11 Thread Steven Chamberlain
I think there could be two distinct sets of criteria: 1. criteria for the premier desktop to suit most users - it's counter-productive for portability to be a major factor in this 2. criteria for the next-best desktop where 1. isn't practical - portability, versatility and media size are much

default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-10 Thread Adam Borowski
Hi! I think the DebianDesktop requalification table lacks an important row: the availability of the desktop environment in question on all Debian architectures. This is mainly an argument against gnome3, as it's restricted basically to just amd64, i386 and armhf (poorly): * systemd is not

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-10 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 10/09/14 07:40, Adam Borowski wrote: I think the DebianDesktop requalification table lacks an important row: the availability of the desktop environment in question on all Debian architectures. Not everyone has been persuaded on that principle yet :P But on kfreebsd CDs we can at least

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-10 Thread Samuel Thibault
Steven Chamberlain, le Wed 10 Sep 2014 11:56:58 +0100, a écrit : What happens otherwise if trying to start GNOME3 (or others)? * without 3D, with llvmpipe * without both Does it fall back gracefully to a fallback/flashback mode, and does that still work these days? In this mode would it

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-10 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Borowski wrote: I think the DebianDesktop requalification table lacks an important row: the availability of the desktop environment in question on all Debian architectures. While that can be a minor consideration (it would be nicest to be consistent if possible), we've had different

Re: default desktop: availability on all arches

2014-09-10 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Joey Hess (jo...@debian.org): Adam Borowski wrote: I think the DebianDesktop requalification table lacks an important row: the availability of the desktop environment in question on all Debian architectures. While that can be a minor consideration (it would be nicest to be