On Wed, 30 May 2001, Joey Hess wrote:
> J.A. Bezemer wrote:
>
> > What about making a few task-* packages standard and have tasksel pre-select
> > them by default? (I.e. start with [X] instead of [ ])
>
> That's not a bad idea.
>
> > Another thing: will it still be _easy_ to install a small s
J.A. Bezemer wrote:
> > It might be useful to be able to get these sorts of things back using a
> > 'unix-servers' task or similar.
Implemented now btw.
> What about making a few task-* packages standard and have tasksel pre-select
> them by default? (I.e. start with [X] instead of [ ])
That's
On Fri, 18 May 2001, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > Here's a provisional list of packages which are standard or higher and
> > should not be:
> > fingerd not very secure for baseline
> > ftpd not very secure for baseli
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Here's a provisional list of packages which are standard or higher and
> should not be:
> fingerd not very secure for baseline
> ftpd not very secure for baseline
> talk rather obsolete, but debatable
>
Previously Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> You are assuming that talkd have buffer overflows, but you have no
> proof of it. And talk is rwxr-xr-x, so what would you win by an
> overflow on a local host? And I doubt that there are many bugs in a
> daemon which is less than 10k big.
Security works the
On 05/15/2001 09:28:37 AM tfheen wrote:
>> You are assuming that talkd have buffer overflows, but you have no
>> proof of it. And talk is rwxr-xr-x, so what would you win by an
>> overflow on a local host? And I doubt that there are many bugs in a
>> daemon which is less than 10k big.
Perhaps
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:28:37PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> You are assuming that talkd have buffer overflows, but you have no
> proof of it.
Of course a reasonably paranoid person would assume that buffer
overflows exist and mitigate the risk as appropriate. Unless you can
*prove* that
* "Vince Mulhollon"
| On 05/15/2001 08:00:09 AM exa wrote:
|
| >> What about closing all the ports by default? The user can open them by
| >> himself if he wants to anyway. Security fans would really be happy then.
|
| Still have the vulnerable, exploitable binaries. All you have to do it get
On 05/15/2001 08:00:09 AM exa wrote:
>> What about closing all the ports by default? The user can open them by
>> himself if he wants to anyway. Security fans would really be happy then.
Still have the vulnerable, exploitable binaries. All you have to do it get
root and open the "talkd" ports
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:00:09PM +0300, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> I sometimes have the feeling that too much security is breaking many
> convenient features. It would be wrong to put in a program with known
> vulnerabilities, but except that I don't see why you would want to
> remove useful sm
Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>
> * Michael Stone
>
> | On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:08:17PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> | > | > talk rather obsolete, but debatable
> | > | > talkd not very secure for baseline
> | >
> | > I want those. They are very useful, and afaik, there are
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
>
> Emacs is not `the standard editor', it is just one of the two most popular
> ones. More importantly, we need an editor in the b-f that everyone can
> use easily without having to know emacs, vi or any other editor.
The first thing I involuntarily discovered in vi was
* Michael Stone
| On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:16:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > IMHO, a system without talk and talkd is too limited. Have it only
| > listen on loopback, if security is the problem.
|
| That's YHO. I obviously disagree. :)
:)
| I haven't used talk in years, and you co
what's the alternative, voting? :-)
(seriously, I use talk regularly - "securely" even: two people ssh to
a common machine, and run talk there :-) I'd probably be happy with
any equivalent user-to-user real-time messaging tool, but "write" is
kind of gross, and everything else seems to try to be
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:16:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> IMHO, a system without talk and talkd is too limited. Have it only
> listen on loopback, if security is the problem.
That's YHO. I obviously disagree. :) I haven't used talk in years, and
you could probably find a large number of
* Michael Stone
| On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:08:17PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > | > talk rather obsolete, but debatable
| > | > talkd not very secure for baseline
| >
| > I want those. They are very useful, and afaik, there are no security
| > problems with talkd.
|
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:08:17PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> | > talk rather obsolete, but debatable
> | > talkd not very secure for baseline
>
> I want those. They are very useful, and afaik, there are no security
> problems with talkd.
This is about you, it's about
Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> `standard'
> These packages provide a reasonably small but not too limited
> character-mode system. This is what will install by default if
> the user doesn't select anything else. It doesn't include many
>
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > rcs few use it
> replace it with cvs
rcs and cvs solve very different problems. They are by no means
equivalent, and I use both, and I know lots of people who use both on a
While I agree there aren't that many people who use RCS directly, it
is certainly one of those things I expect to be on a Unix system as a
basic tool.
I think you may break the expectations of people coming from other operating systems
if you don't make RCS standard.
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On May 12, Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> vacation why standard?
Because it fits the definition of "standard". Actually I think it fits
the definition of "important" too, where it says "If the expectation is
that an experienced Unix person who found it missing would say `What
t
> replacement for ae, which I think is a very good idea; nano is
> *self-documenting*, which is the key feature for an editor we want to be
> useful for all users.
zile is self-documenting too.
> I also don't think you'll get very far in trying to prove that most people on
> d-d use emacs.
I kn
On Sat, 12 May 2001, Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> > "Bastian" == Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > [1 ]
> > On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> >> aenot used as basic editor anymore, everyone seems to hate it
> > what do you think to inclu
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:13:54PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> > Another argument is that zile is "kind of" a stripped-down version of
> > Emacs, and Emacs is the standard editor for the GNU system, which I am
> > sure most of the people on this list are
On 12 May 2001, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > "Wolfgang" == Wolfgang Sourdeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> what do you think to include as basic editor? vim? and elvis-tiny
> >> for boot-floopies?
>
> Wolfgang> I am just experiencing zile and I find it quite good. And,
> Wolfgang> btw,
Bastian Blank wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > aenot used as basic editor anymore, everyone seems to hate it
>
> what do you think to include as basic editor? vim? and elvis-tiny for
> boot-floopies?
>
The editor for boot floppies does
You people are missing the point.
I don't care if exim stays or not! I don't care who thinks what is a
good editor! I wasn't asking for discussion on my list -- I was just
throwing out the list to show there are things there which MUST not be
standard (ftpd, telnetd). That no body had really
WA> postfix does not do IPv6
WA> postfix does not do TLS (not officialy and juding by comments on
WA>#debian-devel from today not reliably either)
Recently there was released new stable version of postfix. It does
support TLS. AFAIK it doesn't support IPV6 out of box right now. There
is exis
On 12 May 2001, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> libident why? not used by other std package, pidentd
> rblcheck why standard?
These are used by exim IIRC.
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I think after install Debian base, switch from exim to
postfix is just a matter of apt-get install!
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Quoting Wichert Akkerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Previously Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> > http://www.postfix.org/motivation.html
>
> >From
Previously Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> http://www.postfix.org/motivation.html
>From what I hear:
postfix does not do IPv6
postfix does not do TLS (not officialy and juding by comments on
#debian-devel from today not reliably either)
postfix header rewriting isn't flexible
postfix uses multiple files
from the secret journal of Drew Parsons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Just for education's sake, what are the reasons you hold this opinion?
>
> I use exim simply because it came standard. I'd like to know why postfix is
> better.
>
http://www.postfix.org/motivation.html
Postfix is a little bigger o
Previously Sami Haahtinen wrote:
> how does something become standard?
> - Someone has to make new standards, why shouldn't it be us.
There have to be good reasons to switch though. smail used to be
our standard, but exim was clearly a better choice: it was a lot
easier to configure and perform
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 12:42:01AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> >
> > Here's a provisional list of packages which are standard or higher and
> > should not be:
> > exim we should move to postfix, IMHO
>
> Just for educat
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
>
> Here's a provisional list of packages which are standard or higher and
> should not be:
> exim we should move to postfix, IMHO
Just for education's sake, what are the reasons you hold this opinion?
I use exim simply b
* Bastian Blank
| On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
| > aenot used as basic editor anymore, everyone seems to hate it
|
| what do you think to include as basic editor? vim? and elvis-tiny for
| boot-floopies?
nano-tiny
This has been decided alreay, p
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:13:54PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Emacs is not `the standard editor', it is just one of the two most popular
> ones. More importantly, we need an editor in the b-f that everyone can
> use easily without having to know emacs, vi or any other editor.
I seem to hav
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> exim we should move to postfix, IMHO
Whilst I agree with you on all the others. postfix is 3 times the size
of exim, and a fraction harder to configure. (This isn't meant as
flamebait.)
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Previously Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> Another argument is that zile is "kind of" a stripped-down version of
> Emacs, and Emacs is the standard editor for the GNU system, which I am
> sure most of the people on this list are using.
Emacs is not `the standard editor', it is just one of the two most
> "Wolfgang" == Wolfgang Sourdeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> what do you think to include as basic editor? vim? and elvis-tiny
>> for boot-floopies?
Wolfgang> I am just experiencing zile and I find it quite good. And,
Wolfgang> btw, it is meant primarily for boot floppies. Another
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> These packages provide a reasonably small but not too limited
> character-mode system.
> exim we should move to postfix, IMHO
Exim seems to be smaller and easier to configure.
> vacation why s
> "Bastian" == Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [1 ]
> On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
>> aenot used as basic editor anymore, everyone seems to hate it
> what do you think to include as basic editor? vim? and elvis-tiny for
> boot-floopi
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 11:33:30AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> > rblcheck why standard?
>
> exim use this? i don't know
There would be a dependency between them if it did.
> mtoolsonly usefull for dos users
Considering of the number of DOS-formatted floppy disk
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:46:13AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> aenot used as basic editor anymore, everyone seems to hate it
what do you think to include as basic editor? vim? and elvis-tiny for
boot-floopies?
> setserial rather inappropriate for non-i386, AFAIK
also it is
Previously Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> exim we should move to postfix, IMHO
FWIW, I disagree, and I'ld like to see some really good arguments before
we make a change like that.
Wichert.
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On Sat, 12 May 2001 03:46:13 -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> exim we should move to postfix, IMHO
Let's not go over this again, but why change at all if it is
working ok? We should all have better things than to worry
about such things.
-ako
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