Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-23 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023, Matthew Vernon wrote: >> Nothing for orphan-sysvinit-scripts, which *really* surprises me, >> as I’m certain we discussed this earlier. > > You may be remembering bullseye? After quite a lot of wrangling, we got a > short > note added to the release notes[0] and installation

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-23 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, On 23/06/2023 02:11, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Nothing for orphan-sysvinit-scripts, which *really* surprises me, as I’m certain we discussed this earlier. You may be remembering bullseye? After quite a lot of wrangling, we got a short note added to the release notes[0] and installation

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-23 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, sysvinit-core in bookworm Recommends: orphan-sysvinit-scripts ; have you told apt to ignore recommends? I think I agree with others who have said that it wouldn't be appropriate for all sysvinit systems to install orphan-sysvinit-scripts (which would warrant a Depends: ); obviously that

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-23 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, On 23/06/2023 01:24, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 02:14:40AM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: The choice to use a nōn-default setup (using rsyslogd at all in bookworm) is up to the local admin. It's not obvious from the release notes that rsyslog is deprecated. Maybe

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: >What part of the release notes are you referring to? It might be useful to >reference that specifically, in addition to the pointer. > >Nothing relevant is obvious here for rsyslogd: [-] >It's not obvious from the release notes that rsyslog is

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread David Griffith
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 01:30:30AM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2023, David Griffith wrote: This was prompted when I found that rsyslog stopped working on Bullseye when upgraded to Bookworm. What sort of depenency would you

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 02:14:40AM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > The choice to use a nōn-default setup (using rsyslogd at all > in bookworm) is up to the local admin. It's not obvious from the release notes that rsyslog is deprecated. Maybe it's too late now for Bookworm, but this speaks to

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 01:30:30AM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jun 2023, David Griffith wrote: > > > This was prompted when I found that rsyslog stopped working on Bullseye when > > upgraded to Bookworm. What sort of depenency would you suggest to implement > > the following? >

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023, David Griffith wrote: > More verbosely: "Which package should have a dependency upon > orphan-sysvinit-scripts to ensure that if sysvinit is used that rsyslog > doesn't > break?" None because that’s not the scope of dependencies in Debian. The choice to use a nōn-default

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread David Griffith
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2023, David Griffith wrote: This was prompted when I found that rsyslog stopped working on Bullseye when upgraded to Bookworm. What sort of depenency would you suggest to implement the following? “Read the release notes.” Or use

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023, David Griffith wrote: > This was prompted when I found that rsyslog stopped working on Bullseye when > upgraded to Bookworm. What sort of depenency would you suggest to implement > the following? “Read the release notes.” Or use inetutils-syslogd ;-) bye, //mirabilos --

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread David Griffith
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2023, David Griffith wrote: of no use unless sysvinit is being used and its absence leads to random packages (some important) not working at all; orphan-sysvinit-scripts should be a prerequisite. Huh? No. Currently,

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023, David Griffith wrote: >of no use unless sysvinit is being used and its absence leads to random >packages (some important) not working at all; orphan-sysvinit-scripts >should be a prerequisite. Huh? No. Currently, orphan-sysvinit-scripts doesn’t contain init scripts for

Bug#1038903: initscripts: orphan-sysvinit-scripts needs to be a prerequisite, not optional.

2023-06-22 Thread David Griffith
Package: initscripts Version: 3.06-4 Severity: important When doing an upgrade of a Bullseye machine to Bookworm, I noticed that rsyslog stopped writing log entries. There was no immediate clue as to what was going on. After poking around online, I found Bug#1037039 which said that