Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-28 Thread Helge Kreutzmann
Hello Tomas, hello Marc, hello Jason, sorry for comming in late into the discussion, I was offline for some days. Regarding the translations: If desired, I can quickly poll all active translators for the update. Preferrably this week, as I have some time. Regarding the proposal: I agree that a ma

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-24 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On Thu, 24 Apr 2025, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 12:01:45PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: "The added group will not be visible in current user sessions" There will be a bug report "please make added groups visible in current user sessions" since this sentence suggests that it's

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 12:01:45PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: "The added group will not be visible in current user sessions" There will be a bug report "please make added groups visible in current user sessions" since this sentence suggests that it's a design decision in adduser. Is that

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-23 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025, Marc Haber wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 12:18:42PM -0400, Jason Franklin wrote: Marc, do you think this is reasonable? I am still not a fan. That additional language needs to be maintained, translated, proofread, and discussed. I'd rather not having to do that. So I

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-22 Thread Jason Franklin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 06:43:56PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 12:18:42PM -0400, Jason Franklin wrote: > > Marc, do you think this is reasonable? > > I am still not a fan. That additional language needs to be maintained, > translated, proofread, and discussed. I'd rather not

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-22 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 12:18:42PM -0400, Jason Franklin wrote: Marc, do you think this is reasonable? I am still not a fan. That additional language needs to be maintained, translated, proofread, and discussed. I'd rather not having to do that. Greetings Marc -- ---

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-22 Thread Jason Franklin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 04:21:42PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > > The way to avoid any confusion, I've found, is just to tell the user to > > "fully logout and log back in" and then go about their business. > > I can agree to that. > > So let's point the user to some explanation instead of not

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-22 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025, Jason Franklin wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 09:54:54AM -0400, Jason Franklin wrote: At some point I have somehow found out that using some other magic in addition is necessary. Other users of adduser might not know and just think that `adduser user group` doesn't work or

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-22 Thread Jason Franklin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 09:54:54AM -0400, Jason Franklin wrote: > > At some point I have somehow found out that using some other magic in > > addition is necessary. Other users of adduser might not know and just think > > that `adduser user group` doesn't work or is broken or ... > > I actually wo

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-22 Thread Tomas Pospisek
Hi Jason, thanks for presenting your arguments! On Tue, 22 Apr 2025, Jason Franklin wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 11:14:47PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2025, Marc Haber wrote: Well, I mean the goal of "adduser user group" is to add a user to a group... except that - it does

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-22 Thread Jason Franklin
On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 11:14:47PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2025, Marc Haber wrote: > > Well, I mean the goal of "adduser user group" is to add a user to a group... > except that - it doesn't. I think you're confusing what you want done with what is actually done. The comman

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-22 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 11:14:47PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2025, Marc Haber wrote: I am totally not sure whether this is appropriate. I agree that this behavior is a quick of many operating systems, but I don't think that adduser should begin to document operating system qu

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-21 Thread Tomas Pospisek
Hi Marc! On Mon, 21 Apr 2025, Marc Haber wrote: I am totally not sure whether this is appropriate. I agree that this behavior is a quick of many operating systems, but I don't think that adduser should begin to document operating system quirks. People might see this as an issue in adduser, wh

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-21 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, I am totally not sure whether this is appropriate. I agree that this behavior is a quick of many operating systems, but I don't think that adduser should begin to document operating system quirks. People might see this as an issue in adduser, which it isn't. Greetings Marc On Mon, Apr

Bug#1103776: adduser: Please mention newgrp in man page

2025-04-21 Thread Tomas Pospisek
Package: adduser Version: 3.134 Severity: wishlist Tags: patch Hello dear adduser maintainer(s), I swear, *every* time I do `adduser user group` I have to look up on the internet how to make that group available to that user in a running shell session... The attached patch adds two phrases to th