Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2010-06-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 11:45:41PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > As discussed in that thread, the best path for a contentious point like > this with good arguments on both sides would be to go through the > Technical Committee, which is designed to be able to make decisions like > that. > > I

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2010-06-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy writes: > After a discussion on debian-de...@lists.debian.org, that I have > summarised in > ‘http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20091001012838.ga30...@kunpuu.plessy.org’, > I am proposing to drop or relax the requirement from the Policy section > 10.4, that programs have to be r

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:12:25PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > The basic idea from how I look at it is that Policy uses consensus as a > stabilizing factor as well as an approval process. This is typical for > very conservative document maintenance, such as for standards. In order > to cha

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy writes: > There is no consensus for the change, but I would like to underline that > the directive itself is not consensusual, as some other developpers > supported me in the thread on debian-devel. I think that this is a > strong indication that the directive must not be a should

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:33:53PM -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > In the few cases where I've run into this problem, patches have > > been readily accepted upstream. > > Indeed, that is the way to go, and the core of my argument is that > renaming b

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:33:53PM -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > In the few cases where I've run into this problem, patches have been readily > accepted upstream. Indeed, that is the way to go, and the core of my argument is that renaming before the patches are accepted is a deviation that w

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Don Armstrong writes: > Changing policy without rough consensus would require a CTTE decision on > the matter. Since Russ and Manoj have both laid out their objections to > changing policy by removing the should directive, I don't believe there > is much hope in achieving rough consensus. [Hones

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:33:53PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > 0: Or alternatively, they're written by people like me who don't > think about other people's use of them much. > 1: Possibly 3/4 or 4/4; I'm not quite sure what Steve's position is. 3/4, I guess, as I didn't really make my position

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > I think that the core of the disagreement is on how frequent the > re-implementation in a different language happen. My experience is > that in my field, bioinformatics, it is close to zero. Moreover, > when programs with similar function and same basena

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:00:14PM +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > The goal of removing the language suffix is precisely to avoid to have to > edit your script when the program is rewritten in a different language. Le Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:10:24AM -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > The pra

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy writes: > After a discussion on debian-de...@lists.debian.org, that I have > summarised in > ‘http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20091001012838.ga30...@kunpuu.plessy.org’, > I am proposing to drop or relax the requirement from the Policy section > 10.4, that programs have to be r

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 05 Oct 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > As a user I strongly dislike to have to edit my scripts and command > line sessions in order to make them usable for my colleagues, and I > would be very annoyed if the first thing to do after installing a > package would be to check if I have to change

Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-04 Thread Charles Plessy
found 190753 3.8.3.0 user debian-pol...@packages.debian.org usertags issue thanks Dear all, After a discussion on debian-de...@lists.debian.org, that I have summarised in ‘http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20091001012838.ga30...@kunpuu.plessy.org’, I am proposing to drop or relax the requireme