On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:51:59PM +0200, Roberto Gordo Saez wrote:
> I'm sorry, but AFAIK, distributing illegal data should be release
> critical. We are not talking about non-free data, we are talking about
> ripped (or "pirated", if you prefer), undistributable data, which is
> much worse. Please read below.

> On 8/29/06, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The copyright file claims that these files "come from"
> >http://www.reptilelabour.com/software/chromium/ and are available under the

> OK, my English is very bad, but I am under the impression that you
> haven't read my message nor made any attempt to understand it. Yes, I
> know the copyright file claims that files came from
> http://www.reptilelabour.com/software/chromium/, but my point is that
> the same page you cited claims that some files come from the urls that
> I've mentioned on my email. This is a quotation taken from about page:

> "Music Loops and raw Sound Effects from:
>    Partners in Rhyme
>    FindSounds.com"

This URL points to a sound *search engine*, which makes no *guarantees*
about the legality of the sounds it provides links to.  So this is
irrelevant to the question of whether any particular sound file being
distributed is correctly licensed.

> >terms of the Artistic License.  If you determine that *specific* files are
> >covered by a different copyright than the one claimed in debian/copyright,

> The copyright does not belong to the author of the program.

For all you've said up to this point, the sound files being used could be in
the public domain; in which case the only controlling copyright is that
governing the packaging and support files.

> He can't publish them under the artistic license. Look at the strings of
> some files:

> strings /usr/share/games/chromium/wav/power.wav | grep Copyright
> Copyright (C) 1995 Corel Corporation Limited.  All Rights Reserved

Thank you, this would be crucial information that you omitted from your
original bug report.  This is a clear indication that the file in question
is not Free Software, and should be addressed.

> And this is a quote from one on the pages the files were downloaded
> (findsounds.com):

> "When you perform a search using FindSounds.com or the WebPalette
> feature of FindSounds Palette, you obtain links to audio files hosted
> by Web sites throughout the world. The sounds in these audio files may
> be copyrighted and their use governed by national and international
> copyright laws. We do not offer advice on the fair use of these
> files."

> So they are downloaded from unkown places.

That they are unknown to *you* is not grounds for an RC bug claiming that
upstream is distributing files illegally.

> >or under a license other than the Artistic License, please re-raise the
> >severity.  Otherwise, simple second-guessing of the statements in the
> >copyright file doesn't seem to be a reason for a release-critical bug.

> I don't need to prove anything. It is only your assumption that the
> files are under the artistic license, because this is not what the
> author of the program claims. Under this conditions you should verify
> that they are under the Artistic license, instead of me that they are
> not.

If you're going to claim that the license on these sounds is not what
upstream and the packaging claim it is, the burden of proof lies with you.

-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
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