Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-14 Thread Per Olofsson
Christian Perrier wrote: > On the other hand, I wonder about the default settings of > openssh-server, that (IIRC, I have no reference handy right now) > allows remote root login with a password. I guess this has already > been pondered by Colin, but it would be interesting to have the > rationale

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-14 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl): > On Thursday 13 August 2009, Philip Hands wrote: > > Any suggestions for ways to protect the clueless from themselves? > > Password strength checking probably. > > There are open wishlist BRs against user-setup for that, but AFAIK so far > nobody has made

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-13 Thread Philip Hands
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:16:06PM -0700, Rick Jones wrote: > And the question seems to presume that said clueless administrator would > have an epiphany between the time he did the initial install and when he > had to install the ssh server. Otherwise, I am not sure I see a > difference in the

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-13 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 13 August 2009, Philip Hands wrote: > Any suggestions for ways to protect the clueless from themselves? Password strength checking probably. There are open wishlist BRs against user-setup for that, but AFAIK so far nobody has made the effort to implement all the required changes.

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-13 Thread Rick Jones
Philip Hands wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:57:06AM -0700, Rick Jones wrote: In my case, 99 times out of ten it is a case of "Sit at the console and do the install, when it completes walk back to my desk in another building, try to login and realize 'Damn, I didn't get an ssh server instal

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-13 Thread Philip Hands
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:57:06AM -0700, Rick Jones wrote: > In my case, 99 times out of ten it is a case of "Sit at the console and > do the install, when it completes walk back to my desk in another > building, try to login and realize 'Damn, I didn't get an ssh server > installed' and go bac

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:57:06AM -0700, Rick Jones wrote: > In my case, 99 times out of ten it is a case of "Sit at the console > and do the install, when it completes walk back to my desk in > another building, try to login and realize 'Damn, I didn't get an > ssh server installed' and go back t

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-10 Thread Rick Jones
Matthew Palmer wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 03:31:10PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Sunday 09 August 2009, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:14:52PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Christian Perrier wrote: An interesting proposal that Colin made was to conv

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-09 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 03:31:10PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:14:52PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > > On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > > An interesting proposal that Colin made was to converge towards

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-09 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 09 August 2009, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:14:52PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > An interesting proposal that Colin made was to converge towards a > > > task named "Login server" or something similar, that would

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-08-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:14:52PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Christian Perrier wrote: > > An interesting proposal that Colin made was to converge towards a task > > named "Login server" or something similar, that would include > > openssh-server, along with other packages

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-07-29 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Otavio Salvador (ota...@ossystems.com.br): > Hello, > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Frans Pop wrote: > > Most systems really only want ssh, not any of the rest. The real problem > > with ssh server is that almost everybody wants it, but we only want it > > installed deliberately becau

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-07-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello, On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Frans Pop wrote: > Most systems really only want ssh, not any of the rest. The real problem > with ssh server is that almost everybody wants it, but we only want it > installed deliberately because of the open port. Probably a separate task > for it is the o

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-07-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Christian Perrier wrote: > An interesting proposal that Colin made was to converge towards a task > named "Login server" or something similar, that would include > openssh-server, along with other packages such as denyhosts (or > sshguard), rssh (Restricted shell allowing

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-07-29 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Christian Perrier (bubu...@debian.org): > That bug didn't progress that much since it was reported. > > My main concern about it is that it would probably open the gates for > too many similar requests for "please-add-my-pet-server" tasks. > > I'd very much appreciate to have more input a

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task? vs. Bug#452388: "standard" system

2009-07-28 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 28 July 2009, Ferenc Wagner wrote: > Christian Perrier writes: > > I'd very much appreciate to have more input about this. I think that > > an SSH server deserves to be put in light in some way. On the other > > hand, having a task for only one package is kind of overkill > > Why no

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task? vs. Bug#452388: "standard" system

2009-07-28 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Christian Perrier writes: > I'd very much appreciate to have more input about this. I think that > an SSH server deserves to be put in light in some way. On the other > hand, having a task for only one package is kind of overkill Why not put the ssh server (and client) into the "standard" ta

Bug#399840: Do we want an ssh-server task?

2009-07-28 Thread Christian Perrier
That bug didn't progress that much since it was reported. My main concern about it is that it would probably open the gates for too many similar requests for "please-add-my-pet-server" tasks. I'd very much appreciate to have more input about this. I think that an SSH server deserves to be put in