Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Joost Yervante Damad
Hello all, ok, my point is that dependencies on external data/files are potentially dangerous. if the maintainer of the upstream site makes changes (as has been done in the past with foo2zjs), then the package no longer works as intended. if someone replaces the upstream files with

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Steffen Joeris
Hi I understand your sentiment, and it is indeed a grey area situation. If I take policy literary, I think this package is fine in main, but it is not as simple... In order to get this bug rolling (and lenny released ;-) ), can you all live with me splitting up the package in two packages:

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Steffen Joeris
Hi Sorry for the confusing statement here. I understand your sentiment, and it is indeed a grey area situation. If I take policy literary, I think this package is fine in main, but it is not as simple... In order to get this bug rolling (and lenny released ;-) ), can you all

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Joost Yervante Damad
On Sunday 26 October 2008 08:03:46 Steffen Joeris wrote: Hi I understand your sentiment, and it is indeed a grey area situation. If I take policy literary, I think this package is fine in main, but it is not as simple... In order to get this bug rolling (and lenny released ;-) ), can

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Luca Capello
Hi there! On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:03:46 +0100, Steffen Joeris wrote: On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:38:51 +0100. Joost Yervante Damad wrote: I understand your sentiment, and it is indeed a grey area situation. If I take policy literary, I think this package is fine in main, but it is not as simple...

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Steffen Joeris
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:12:49 pm Luca Capello wrote: Hi there! On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:03:46 +0100, Steffen Joeris wrote: On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:38:51 +0100. Joost Yervante Damad wrote: I understand your sentiment, and it is indeed a grey area situation. If I take policy literary, I think

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Joost Yervante Damad
Hi Luca, [3] not that I checked with such printers, I'm only in touch with one that needs a non-free firmware http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466758#15 So you don't think that your usage of the package is more contrib then main? Personally I find it a rather grey

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Steffen Joeris
severity 449497 important thanks On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:40:34 pm Joost Yervante Damad wrote: Hi Luca, [3] not that I checked with such printers, I'm only in touch with one that needs a non-free firmware http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466758#15 So you don't

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Luca Capello
Hi there! BTW, Joost, it seems that for the BugSprint [1] you got quite a nasty bug, sorry :-D On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:08:03 +0100, Steffen Joeris wrote: severity 449497 important Thanks to Steffen for the downgrade. To everyone else: please don't change the severity anymore: while it can

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-26 Thread Michael Gilbert
severity 449497 serious thank you i don't see how this bug can be considered anything less than serious. as i explained in my last message, there are two potential grave problems: security and breakage. and even if neither of these problems exist now, they certainly could arise during the

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-25 Thread Joost Yervante Damad
Hello, README.Debian of foo2zjs provides the following text: cut foo2zjs for Debian --- Please understand that I had to delete some files which the author is still providing, because I got no source code for them. This is necessary to get the package into Debian main. If you really

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2008-10-25 Thread Michael Gilbert
severity 449497 serious tag 449497 -wishlist thank you ok, my point is that dependencies on external data/files are potentially dangerous. if the maintainer of the upstream site makes changes (as has been done in the past with foo2zjs), then the package no longer works as intended. if someone

Bug#449497: [Foo2zjs-maintainer] Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2007-11-09 Thread Michael Gilbert
the problem with external dependencies is that functionality can be broken due to circumstances outside of your control. vis a vis, the getweb stuff is currently broken (in unstable as well as stable!) because the upstream author randomly decided to modify his directory naming scheme. this is

Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Gilbert
Package: foo2zjs Version: 20070718dfsg-6 Severity: serious Justification: Policy 2.2.1 foo2zjs relies heavily upon non-free firmware that is hosted at the upstream site. this behavior, i believe, does not adhere to the spirit of the debian policy for software in main (packages should not

Bug#449497: [Foo2zjs-maintainer] Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2007-11-05 Thread Steffen Joeris
severity 449497 wishlist tags 449497 wontfix thanks Hi Michael To the best of my knowledge, not all printers need this firmware. Thus, the package is operational without additional firmware. Unfortunately, some printers need firmware, that is right. Please feel free to ask hp or the other

Bug#449497: [Foo2zjs-maintainer] Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Gilbert
the appropriate solution should be to split the package into separate foo2zjs and foo2zjs-contrib packages, where the contrib package contains only the getweb firmware fetching stuff. has debian-legal reviewed the package? its really up to them to determine whether this is a policy violation or

Bug#449497: [Foo2zjs-maintainer] Bug#449497: foo2zjs: application depends on non-free firmware

2007-11-05 Thread Steffen Joeris
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 04:16:50 pm you wrote: i believe that the proper solution is to split the package into foo2zjs and foo2zjs-contrib -- where the contrib package will have only the non-free getweb stuff. Nah, a package split with only this script in it would be overkill. The script is offered