Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-08 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:16:29 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: ... how this policy is compatible with the observed fact of a dearth of such all-copyright-notices duplication in the actual Debian packages. I seems you are looking at other packages than me; I know quite a few which follow the

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Hi, I'd have to agree with Jonathan Nieder and Charles Plessy that the proposed change does not reflect current consensus. On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:50:25AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: --- a/policy.sgml +++ b/policy.sgml @@ -570,7 +570,7 @@

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Ben Finney
Steve M. Robbins st...@sumost.ca writes: I'd have to agree with Jonathan Nieder and Charles Plessy that the proposed change does not reflect current consensus. That's my impression too. On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:50:25AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes:

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: URL:http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/01/msg00443.html URL:http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/01/msg00443.html The first link should have been URL:http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00963.html. -- \ “If you

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 09:16:29AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: There is an additional factor here. Reportedly, the ftpmasters have a policy that all Debian packages must have all copyright notices for the package duplicated in the package's ???copyright??? file. Agreed, the ftpmasters have a

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Ben Finney
Steve M. Robbins st...@sumost.ca writes: On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 09:16:29AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: There is an additional factor here. Reportedly, the ftpmasters have a policy that all Debian packages must have all copyright notices for the package duplicated in the package's

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Hi, Just wanted to clarify a few points from your message, out of order. No patch is attached to this message. I will probably download the policy sources and write one soon, if no one beats me to it. First a point you made towards the end: Steve M. Robbins wrote: On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 09:25:48AM -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Instead, I have always read that passage to mean Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright information and distribution license in the file /usr/share/doc/package/copyright. I

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 11:49:03AM -0600, Steve M. Robbins wrote: Agreed. The license for using and distributing the files in the BINARY package is useful and necessary. But I can't imagine that many binary package users would need the hundreds of copyright statements from multi-author works

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:43:54AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: That it's not called a policy doesn't stop it from being one. See URL:http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html, which in regard to this current discussion links to a 2006 message from an FTP Master: It links to a 2006 message from

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 06:59:06PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 11:49:03AM -0600, Steve M. Robbins wrote: Agreed. The license for using and distributing the files in the BINARY package is useful and necessary. But I can't imagine that many binary package users

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Steve M. Robbins wrote: On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 06:59:06PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: The motivation is to put an end to the contrafactual interpretation of this clause in Policy that Ben Finney continues to advance in discussions on Debian mailing lists. Really? The change is aimed to

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-07 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Hi, On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 11:23:35PM -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Steve M. Robbins wrote: On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 06:59:06PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: The motivation is to put an end to the contrafactual interpretation of this clause in Policy that Ben Finney continues to advance

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-01 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Hi, Steve Langasek wrote: --- a/policy.sgml +++ b/policy.sgml @@ -570,7 +570,7 @@ p Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of - its copyright and distribution license in the file + its copyright notices and distribution license in the file

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-02-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: Steve Langasek wrote: --- a/policy.sgml +++ b/policy.sgml @@ -570,7 +570,7 @@ p Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of - its copyright and distribution license in the file + its copyright notices and

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-01-22 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 22:25:56 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.3.0 Tags: patch User: debian-pol...@packages.debian.org Usertags: informative Clarify what is meant by verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license to be explicit about what

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-01-21 Thread Steve Langasek
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.3.0 Tags: patch User: debian-pol...@packages.debian.org Usertags: informative Clarify what is meant by verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license to be explicit about what Debian has always required for this file, to put to rest the silly arguments

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-01-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com writes: Clarify what is meant by verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license to be explicit about what Debian has always required for this file, to put to rest the silly arguments that this should be parsed as (copyright and

Bug#566220: [PATCH] Clarify verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license

2010-01-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com writes: If someone wants to argue that Policy should *not* require reproducing the copyright notices when this is not required by the license, let them argue that Policy should be changed rather than