Le Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:10:51AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> Le Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 09:14:09AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> > Le Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 09:41:59AM -0700, Jonathan Nieder a écrit :
> > >
> > > If I end up with time to work on it, what I would probably do is to
> > > spli
Le Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 09:14:09AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> Le Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 09:41:59AM -0700, Jonathan Nieder a écrit :
> >
> > If I end up with time to work on it, what I would probably do is to
> > split the patch into smaller changes that can be considered and
> > applied indep
Le Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 09:41:59AM -0700, Jonathan Nieder a écrit :
>
> If I end up with time to work on it, what I would probably do is to
> split the patch into smaller changes that can be considered and
> applied independently, which would hopefully be less intimidating for
> area experts to re
Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 08:00:55AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
>> does the current patch (attached) address your concerns ? If yes, would
>> you second it ?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to make one more call for feedback.
Sorry for the long silence.
My feeling is tha
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 08:00:55 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> does the current patch (attached) address your concerns ? If yes, would
> you second it ?
>
Sorry, I don't feel confident to second anything trigger-related.
Cheers,
Julien
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Le Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 08:00:55AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
>
> does the current patch (attached) address your concerns ? If yes, would
> you second it ?
Hi all,
I would like to make one more call for feedback.
Needless to say, I am annoyed that despite we had mutiple persons who commen
Le Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:58:04PM +0200, Julien Cristau a écrit :
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:27:19 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > > About the problem of triggers being called with Depends not satisfied,
> > > can you
> > > give more explanati
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:27:19 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > About the problem of triggers being called with Depends not satisfied, can
> > you
> > give more explanations or suggest some text for the warning ? Would it be
> > enough to
Le Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:00:59AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
>
> I believe we can update the policy whatever the status of this specific
> bug.
> You're missing the important sentence that follows: “If there are no
> circular dependencies involved, all package dependencies will be
> confi
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Nevertheless, please let me try to refocus on the question of whether
> the Policy can be updated or not.
I believe we can update the policy whatever the status of this specific
bug.
> Here is what is written in the Policy about "postinst configure":
>
Le Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 09:36:52PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
>
> There are no "restrictions" for "postinst configure" (you can rely on
> dependencies — except if you have a dependency cycle) and there should be
> no restrictions for "postinst triggered". But right now, dpkg doesn't
> ensure
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Can you explain what the bug is and what the correction will be ? Because I
The bug is that triggers are run while the dependencies of the triggered
package are not satisfied. The fix is not to do that and wait until those
dependencies are satisfied (b
Thanks again Raphaël for your prompt feedback.
Le Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 09:00:44AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
>
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> >
> > - "postinst configure" should do at least everything needed by
> >"postinst triggers", since in the situations where trig
Hi,
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> After reading #671711 and /usr/share/doc/dpkg-dev/triggers.txt.gz, my
> impression is that a package can not become "Unpacked" and keep a list of
> pending triggers, because of the following statements in triggers.txt:
>
> 1) Pending triggers are
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:55:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> >
> > regarding “noawait” triggers, the patch already contains the following,
> > which
> > is new and improved compared to the existing documentation.
> >
> > The *-noawait dire
Le Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:55:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
>
> 2) The section "Details - triggered package" mentions that "packages in
> ‘config-failed’ or worse are never considered to have lists of pending
> triggers". (Where config-failed means Half-Installed). In my
> under
Le Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:55:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
>
> regarding “noawait” triggers, the patch already contains the following, which
> is new and improved compared to the existing documentation.
>
> The *-noawait directives should be used unless the
> packages awaiting tri
Le Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:27:19AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
>
> Julien is referring to this bug:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671711
>
> It might be fixed for jessie, at least I hope so, but he seems to doubt
> it.
>
> > Also, if you think that triggers will give us
Hi,
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> About the problem of triggers being called with Depends not satisfied, can you
> give more explanations or suggest some text for the warning ? Would it be
> enough to add a notice that the triggered postinst script may be called when
> the package
Le Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:09:08PM +0200, Julien Cristau a écrit :
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:26:01 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=87;filename=policy-triggers.diff;att=1;bug=582109
> >
> That patch has a bunch of typos (I noticed a
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:26:01 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:09:17AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> > On Sun, 12 May 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > >
> > > I also added "through the interst or activate
> > > directives"
> > > after "When a configured package ac
tag 582109 patch
thanks
Le Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 11:26:01AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
>
> now that Wheezy is released, I hope that everybody has more time to review the
> patch to integrate triggers in the Policy and confirm Raphaël's seconding or
> propose extra corrections or improvements.
Le Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:09:17AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> On Sun, 12 May 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> >
> > I also added "through the interst or activate directives"
> > after "When a configured package activates a trigger".
> >
> > I applied the other changes you proposed as well, w
Hi,
On Thu, 16 May 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Guillem recently posted on debian-devel about "noawait" triggers, and I would
> like to send a link to the patch to the Policy once it gets futher
> proof-reading and seconds. Or if it takes time, shall I point to this bug log
> on -devel ?
I don'
Le Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:09:17AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
>
> Thanks, I agree that your improved wording is better. Seconded.
Thanks again.
Guillem recently posted on debian-devel about "noawait" triggers, and I would
like to send a link to the patch to the Policy once it gets futher
p
Hi,
On Sun, 12 May 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> The *-noawait directives should be used unless the
> packages awaiting triggers can not satisfy Depends
> relationships until the triggers have been processed.
> In that case, the inter
Hi Raphaël,
thanks for the quick feedback.
In the list of directives, I have moved the "noawait" variant on top to
better show that they are the default choice. I also reworded your suggestion
to make it a positive recommenation: use "interest" and "activate" only
if you want to put the triggeri
Hi Charles,
On Sat, 11 May 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> I think that I took care of all of your comments.
>
> Here is an updated patch. Among the changes, it introduces
> sub-section to make the information easier to digest.
Thank you for the work! I have a few fixes and suggestions but otherw
Le Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07:19PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
>
> Here are my comments. There's quite a bit of work left.
Thanks a lot Raphaël and everybody !
I think that I took care of all of your comments.
Here is an updated patch. Among the changes, it introduces
sub-section to make
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
>> + Dpkg defines the folowing states for the packages.
>> +
>> +Not-Installed
s/folowing/following
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog writes:
> > On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> >> +Dpkg defines the folowing states for the packages.
> >> +
> >> + Not-Installed
>
> > I would use the precise states listed in dpkg(1), i.e. entirely in
> > lower
Raphael Hertzog writes:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
>> + Dpkg defines the folowing states for the packages.
>> +
>> +Not-Installed
> I would use the precise states listed in dpkg(1), i.e. entirely in
> lowercase. (same for all the states)
I thought Guillem re
Hi Charles,
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> I am still seeking comments for the attached patch, that describes Dpkg
> triggers.
Here are my comments. There's quite a bit of work left.
> >From 6a7fd0e49cb8dbd025771feb95c2dcafb408c1b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Charles Plessy
>
Le Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 04:11:19AM +0100, Guillem Jover a écrit :
> On Fri, 2013-03-15 at 08:37:25 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > I am still seeking comments for the attached patch, that describes Dpkg
> > triggers.
>
> I've not yet allocated a chunk of time to take a look into this, will
> try
Hello everybody,
I am still seeking comments for the attached patch, that describes Dpkg
triggers.
Have a nice day,
--
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>From 6a7fd0e49cb8dbd025771feb95c2dcafb408c1b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Charles Plessy
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:48:04 +0900
Subject: [PATCH] Document dpkg trigge
Hi Guillem,
thank you for your comments (some quoted below).
Le Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 03:37:36PM +0100, Guillem Jover a écrit :
>
> This is documented in the dpkg man page (PACKAGE STATES), sorry for
> not mentioning this before.
> We unified the states in policy to be all capitalized some time
Hi!
On Sat, 2013-03-02 at 18:45:30 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 04:41:55PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> > I am having a look at how to document triggers. In order to simplify the
> > explanation and re-use more easily material from the file above, I think
> > that w
Dear all,
pasting a lot from /usr/share/doc/dpkg-dev/triggers.txt.gz and deb-triggers(1),
I have drafted a patch to the Policy to document triggers.
Your comments are very welcome.
Have a nice week-end,
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>From 04f094a0bfa98643ccead594be9d880439eae0b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Ch
Le Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 04:41:55PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
>
> I am having a look at how to document triggers. In order to simplify the
> explanation and re-use more easily material from the file above, I think
> that we would benefit from documenting the dpkg states for a package.
How a
Le Tue, May 18, 2010 at 02:50:02PM +0200, Raphaël Hertzog a écrit :
>
> The policy needs to be updated to take into account the dpkg triggers. At
> the very least it needs to document the new invocations of the postinst in
> chapter 6 (postinst triggered ...) see
> /usr/share/doc/dpkg-dev/triggers
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 02:50:02PM +0200, Raphaël Hertzog wrote:
> Package: debian-policy
> Version: 3.8.4.0
> Severity: normal
>
> The policy needs to be updated to take into account the dpkg triggers. At
> the very least it needs to document the new invocations of the postinst in
> chapter 6 (po
Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.8.4.0
Severity: normal
The policy needs to be updated to take into account the dpkg triggers. At
the very least it needs to document the new invocations of the postinst in
chapter 6 (postinst triggered ...) see
/usr/share/doc/dpkg-dev/triggers.txt.gz
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