Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-09-02 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 08:11:34AM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: So if you honestly let me choose, I suggest we simply close this as a non-bug. What do you think of a tagging it wontfix instead of closing it? It will leave a trace for people encountering the problem. I thought about sugge

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-09-01 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
> So if you honestly let me choose, I suggest we simply close this as a > non-bug. What do you think of a tagging it wontfix instead of closing it? It will leave a trace for people encountering the problem. M. -- Emmanuel Bouthenot mail: kol...@{openics,debian}.orggpg: 4096R/0x929D42C3

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-09-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 11:00:42PM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: Until eventually fixed upstream, could we perhaps provide an empty CRL at that fallback location? If we want to do that we have to be careful to not break current installations (which uses the CA bundle provided by ca-certific

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-09-01 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
> Until eventually fixed upstream, could we perhaps provide an empty > CRL at that fallback location? If we want to do that we have to be careful to not break current installations (which uses the CA bundle provided by ca-certificates). I still think that adding a dependency on ca-certiticates is

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:54:41AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote: On 08/26/2010 09:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: According to Sympa web page it can instead be a directory containing CA certificates. And it can be undefined, meaning S/MIME is disabled. AFAIR S/MIME is disabled by the

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:51:26AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote: On 08/24/2010 11:44 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Hi Emmanuel, On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 09:20:38PM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: Package: sympa Version: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 Severity: grave To start correctly, task_manager.pl da

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-26 Thread Stefan Hornburg (Racke)
On 08/24/2010 11:44 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Hi Emmanuel, On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 09:20:38PM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: Package: sympa Version: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 Severity: grave To start correctly, task_manager.pl daemon expects /usr/share/sympa/default/ca-bundle.crt to be a valid symlink

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-26 Thread Stefan Hornburg (Racke)
On 08/26/2010 09:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:24:46AM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: Well, you not experiencing problems avoiding Recommends do not really change the Debian definition of the Recommends: stanza: >`Recommends' > This declares a strong, but not abs

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:24:46AM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: Well, you not experiencing problems avoiding Recommends do not really change the Debian definition of the Recommends: stanza: >`Recommends' >This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. Nothing defines “absolute”

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-25 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
> Well, you not experiencing problems avoiding Recommends do not really > change the Debian definition of the Recommends: stanza: > > >`Recommends' > >This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. Nothing defines “absolute”, for me it is (absolute) because: - SYMPA provides a symlink

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:50:39AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote: On 08/25/2010 10:34 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:18:36AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote: IMHO Sympa daemons should work without packages in Recommends. And ca-certificates isn't really a pro

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-25 Thread Stefan Hornburg (Racke)
On 08/25/2010 10:34 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:18:36AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote: IMHO Sympa daemons should work without packages in Recommends. And ca-certificates isn't really a problem to be depend on. Is S/MIME a mandatory or optional feature of sympa

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:18:36AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote: IMHO Sympa daemons should work without packages in Recommends. And ca-certificates isn't really a problem to be depend on. Is S/MIME a mandatory or optional feature of sympa? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist &

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:11:33AM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: When not respecting recommends, you cannot expect package to work "out of the box" but will need some hand-tuning to get working. I never install Recommends on my Debian machines (servers, desktop, laptop). It's the first time

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-25 Thread Stefan Hornburg (Racke)
On 08/25/2010 09:11 AM, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: When not respecting recommends, you cannot expect package to work "out of the box" but will need some hand-tuning to get working. I never install Recommends on my Debian machines (servers, desktop, laptop). It's the first time I encounter such

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-25 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
> When not respecting recommends, you cannot expect package to work > "out of the box" but will need some hand-tuning to get working. I never install Recommends on my Debian machines (servers, desktop, laptop). It's the first time I encounter such problems. > Do you dare say that it is not possib

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:09:09PM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: You disabled the auto-pilot. Now steer manually. Particularly: Now create that file missing since you chose to not have that file provided by a package but would rather create it yourself. So no, you did not (yet) convinc

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-24 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
> You disabled the auto-pilot. Now steer manually. Particularly: Now > create that file missing since you chose to not have that file > provided by a package but would rather create it yourself. > So no, you did not (yet) convince me that this is a real bug. You didn't convince me neither that

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 09:24:35PM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: So sympa needs _some_ value for cafile, and ca-certificates provides a sane default for _most_ situations. The Recommends: stanza is _exactly intended for such situations. There was a long-time bug in apt-get to wrongly trea

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-24 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
> So sympa needs _some_ value for cafile, and ca-certificates provides > a sane default for _most_ situations. > > The Recommends: stanza is _exactly intended for such situations. > > There was a long-time bug in apt-get to wrongly treating Recommends > like Suggests. It was a bug and it has bee

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-24 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
Hi Jonas, > Is that path hardcoded or configurable? Yes, the “cafile” option in sympa.conf but... > If configurable, only recommending is the proper relation to use. It's configurable but (AFAIK) the taskmanager daemon needs it to start. If this option is not defined in sympa.conf, there is a fa

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Emmanuel, On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 09:20:38PM +0200, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: Package: sympa Version: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 Severity: grave To start correctly, task_manager.pl daemon expects /usr/share/sympa/default/ca-bundle.crt to be a valid symlink to /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt. ca-certif

Bug#594113: task_manager.pl daemon failed to start

2010-08-23 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
Package: sympa Version: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 Severity: grave To start correctly, task_manager.pl daemon expects /usr/share/sympa/default/ca-bundle.crt to be a valid symlink to /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt. ca-certificates (which provides /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt) should be a real dependen