Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-17 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:44:47PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: I'm wondering what the plans are regarding /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp and RAMTMP. Will mountoverflowtmp be dropped if you enable RAMTMP by default? It will still be needed as a fallback if the admin chose to disable RAMTMP, or

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Roger, I'm wondering what the plans are regarding /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp and RAMTMP. Will mountoverflowtmp be dropped if you enable RAMTMP by default? Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Michael Biebl] the default for new installations is to use RAMTMP=yes. Hm, do not remember doing this change. Anyone know when it happened? I think having RAMTMP as optional feature is great, but it should default to no, because this is the safer default: - virtual machines are usually

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:56:59PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Michael Biebl] the default for new installations is to use RAMTMP=yes. Hm, do not remember doing this change. Anyone know when it happened? This was done as part of the /run work a couple of months back. This was done

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 15.06.2011 17:56, schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: [Michael Biebl] the default for new installations is to use RAMTMP=yes. Hm, do not remember doing this change. Anyone know when it happened? I think having RAMTMP as optional feature is great, but it should default to no, because this is

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Roger! Am 15.06.2011 18:33, schrieb Roger Leigh: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:56:59PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: This was done following the discussion about default size limits for the various tmpfses in use (/run, /run/lock, /run/shm, and /tmp) on the debian-devel list, and also

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 15.06.2011 18:34, schrieb Michael Biebl: Fact of the matter is, that there is software out there using /tmp to store large amount of temporary data (which doesn't need to survive reboots, so /var/tmp would be the wrong place). To be a bit more specific about this. I at least remember

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Michael Biebl] For this type of data /var/tmp is not the right place. Actually, /var/tmp/ is the right place for this kind of data. I am sure there are programs saving large files in /tmp/, but for me this only proves that there are programs with bugs around. Bugs that should be fixed, not

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 15.06.2011 19:13, schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: [Michael Biebl] For this type of data /var/tmp is not the right place. Actually, /var/tmp/ is the right place for this kind of data. For the examples I mentioned, those files don't need to be persistent, so /var/tmp would not be the right

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Michael Biebl] For the examples I mentioned, those files don't need to be persistent, so /var/tmp would not be the right place. I must have been unclear. /var/tmp/ is not for persistent data. It is for temporary data, but not expected to disappear during boot. /tmp/ is for temporary data

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:33:59PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:56:59PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Michael Biebl] the default for new installations is to use RAMTMP=yes. Hm, do not remember doing this change. Anyone know when it happened? This was

Bug#630615: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#630615: RAMTMP should default to no

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Roger! Thanks for answering in such detail. I'll try to comment on a few points. Am 15.06.2011 22:46, schrieb Roger Leigh: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:33:59PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: The FHS defines the persistence/lifetime for /tmp and /var/tmp. It does not make any recommendations