Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 06:55:51PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > embedded systems, cheap embedded systems that have no real time clock, > those are the ones that I expect to be without network connection. > Example given: stand-alone mediaplayers. Isn't it possible to configure systemd so that it

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-09 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 09.05.2015 um 03:59 schrieb Ben Hutchings: > On Sat, 2015-05-09 at 03:32 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >> FWIW: >> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-systemd/systemd.git/commit/?h=experimental&id=929bece53261ddd2797d4f3518a05a88704c5b01 > > So what happens if another ntp daemon is packaged, or th

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2015-05-09 at 03:32 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > On Sun, 03 May 2015 17:23:30 +0100 Ben Hutchings > wrote: > > Control: reassign -1 clock-setup > > Control: retitle -1 Missing support for systems without battery-backed RTC > > > > On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 17:40 +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2015-05-09 at 03:38 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 09.05.2015 um 03:32 schrieb Michael Biebl: > > On Sun, 03 May 2015 17:23:30 +0100 Ben Hutchings > > >> 1. Install/enable NTP client > >> 2. Disable hwclock-save.service > > See below for the changes in systemd > > >> 3. Disable e2fsck

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-08 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 09.05.2015 um 03:32 schrieb Michael Biebl: > On Sun, 03 May 2015 17:23:30 +0100 Ben Hutchings >> 1. Install/enable NTP client >> 2. Disable hwclock-save.service See below for the changes in systemd >> 3. Disable e2fsck time check What exactly do you mean here? >> I think these could all be

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-08 Thread Michael Biebl
On Sun, 03 May 2015 17:23:30 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: > Control: reassign -1 clock-setup > Control: retitle -1 Missing support for systems without battery-backed RTC > > On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 17:40 +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > > Debian installations on hardware with no (battery-backuped) RTC

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 18:55 +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 05:23:30PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 17:40 +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > > > Debian installations on hardware with no (battery-backuped) RTC > > > is likely an installation that hasn't ne

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-03 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 05:23:30PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 17:40 +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > > Debian installations on hardware with no (battery-backuped) RTC > > is likely an installation that hasn't network connection. > > What makes you think that? embedded syste

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
Control: reassign -1 clock-setup Control: retitle -1 Missing support for systems without battery-backed RTC On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 17:40 +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > Debian installations on hardware with no (battery-backuped) RTC > is likely an installation that hasn't network connection. What m

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-03 Thread Geert Stappers
Debian installations on hardware with no (battery-backuped) RTC is likely an installation that hasn't network connection. So please do not push (too hard) for "you MUST allway known what time it is" Make it possible to do installs on hardware without RTC and no access to a NTP server. Installi

Bug#784148: base-installer: NTP daemon should be installed on any system missing an RTC

2015-05-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
Package: base-installer Severity: important It is very important that Debian systems have an accurate system clock. However not all supported systems include a battery-backed RTC (or any working RTC). Whenever there is not an RTC (and perhaps if there is an RTC but we somehow recognise that it's