Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive [and 1 more messages]

2018-10-09 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: Wouter> But in the general case, I feel that downstream packaging Wouter> changes belong downstream, not in Debian; therefore it is Wouter> best to recommend that, in the general case, packages in Wouter> Debian do not switch on dpkg-vend

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive [and 1 more messages]

2018-10-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:14:44AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: > > Wouter> On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 08:40:03AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > >> That said, even there there are tradeoffs. As an example, Ubuntu > >> tries to use unmodified Debian

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive [and 1 more messages]

2018-10-09 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: Wouter> On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 08:40:03AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> That said, even there there are tradeoffs. As an example, Ubuntu >> tries to use unmodified Debian source packages where possible. >> In some cases I think that the m

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive [and 1 more messages]

2018-10-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 08:40:03AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > That said, even there there are tradeoffs. > As an example, Ubuntu tries to use unmodified Debian source packages > where possible. In some cases I think that the maintenance advantages > of doing this and the slight but real political

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive [and 1 more messages]

2018-10-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive [and 1 more messages]"): > So imagine that Ubuntu and several other downstreams care more about > security and hardening than they do about backward compatibility and > they

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive [and 1 more messages]

2018-10-05 Thread Sam Hartman
Actually directly switching on vendor seems fairly bad. However, to the extent that downstream changes can be encapsulated into options/deltas that someone might want, I think it may often be reasonable to carry the delta in Debian. So imagine that Ubuntu and several other downstreams care more a

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive [and 1 more messages]

2018-10-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Adrian Bunk writes ("Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive"): > On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:21:07PM +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > > IMO policy should recomend the use of separate source packages as the > > prefered solution to the problem that vendor-spe