Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-30 Thread Martin
Hi Birzhan, Unfortunately it's all legal, the debian social contract was even officially changed to make this degradation real - justifying once again the reason why GNU community is not supporting debian project: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 Cheers! Martin On 8/28/23

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-29 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 09:53:07AM -0700, Birzhan Amirov wrote: > > If you actually want the level of purity-over-practicality that your mail > suggests ... that is effectively an abuse of our users > **Just pointing out the fact that at the time of 11.6.0 you didn't have a > problem releasing both

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-29 Thread Birzhan Amirov
> If you actually want the level of purity-over-practicality that your mail suggests ... that is effectively an abuse of our users **Just pointing out the fact that at the time of 11.6.0 you didn't have a problem releasing both free and non-free version.** Important part ^ Also, it feels like in y

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-29 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Philip Hands wrote: > While looking at the FSF site, I noticed this somewhat amusing method > for reconciling these two stances: > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/install-fest-devil.html Typically Stallman: "My new idea is that the install fest could allow the devil to hang around, off

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-29 Thread Philip Hands
Birzhan Amirov writes: > I just want to use this chance to thank the entire Debian Images Team for > many years of releasing DVDs that actually had 0 bytes of closed-source > code. > I have been following the project since "Jessie", and always admired your > strict and puristic approach. > Allow

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-28 Thread Birzhan Amirov
I just want to use this chance to thank the entire Debian Images Team for many years of releasing DVDs that actually had 0 bytes of closed-source code. I have been following the project since "Jessie", and always admired your strict and puristic approach. Allow me to wish you the best of luck growi

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-28 Thread Philip Hands
Birzhan Amirov writes: > Hello, > > Thank you for your quick and detailed reply. > >> I suppose that we could provide a tool that would be able produce an > image with no non-free data on it ... but the effort required to build and > test such a tool would have to be diverted from other tasks. >>

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-28 Thread Birzhan Amirov
Also, should this wikipedia article be updated? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 9:55 AM Birzhan Amirov wrote: > Hello, > > Thank you for your quick and detailed reply. > > > I suppose that we could provide a tool that would be able produce an

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-28 Thread Birzhan Amirov
Hello, Thank you for your quick and detailed reply. > I suppose that we could provide a tool that would be able produce an image with no non-free data on it ... but the effort required to build and test such a tool would have to be diverted from other tasks. > ... to contribute to such an effort,

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-28 Thread Philip Hands
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 04:38:58PM -0700, Birzhan Amirov wrote: ... >> Do you have an `Official` way to de-poison your release, and if so, is it >> published as a document? >> > > You can pass various parameters to the installer: you can also uninstall the > non-fr

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 04:38:58PM -0700, Birzhan Amirov wrote: > Additionally, > > I've just checked the DVDs of 12.1.0 and 11.6.0, and it looks like all the > DVDs of 12.1.0 are labeled like the following: > `Debian GNU/Linux 12.1.0 _Bookworm_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-{X} with > firmware 2023

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-27 Thread Birzhan Amirov
Additionally, I've just checked the DVDs of 12.1.0 and 11.6.0, and it looks like all the DVDs of 12.1.0 are labeled like the following: `Debian GNU/Linux 12.1.0 _Bookworm_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-{X} with firmware 20230722-10:49`, where X is the DVD number. --- However, the releases of 11.6.

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 04:12:02PM -0700, Birzhan Amirov wrote: > Hello Debian CD Images team. > > I decided to switch to the latest version (12.1.0), and encountered the > following issues: > > 1) Looks like this DVD image: > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ >

Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

2023-08-27 Thread Birzhan Amirov
Hello Debian CD Images team. I decided to switch to the latest version (12.1.0), and encountered the following issues: 1) Looks like this DVD image: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-12.1.0-amd64-