Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-04-10 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Fri, 25.03.2011 at 14:17:06 +, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: If we really want to meet the spec, we should be aiming for 64 characters, but that affects 98 packages and I'm not *too* bothered about it since testing shows no issues thus far. I'm tempted to file: *

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-04-10 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 10 April 2011 20:19:42 Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, On Fri, 25.03.2011 at 14:17:06 +, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: If we really want to meet the spec, we should be aiming for 64 characters, but that affects 98 packages and I'm not *too* bothered about it since testing

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-04-04 Thread Will Set
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de Sun, April 3, 2011 5:17:06 PM Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes: On 2011-04-03, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: OTOH, do you really want to type apt-get install package-with-policy-compliant-utterly-long-silly-name? There's a point when

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-04-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:56:14AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:28:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Steve McIntyre wrote: There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) using CDs and DVDs to seed a

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes: On 2011-04-03, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: OTOH, do you really want to type apt-get install package-with-policy-compliant-utterly-long-silly-name? There's a point when package name lengths become problematic, and that isn't just true for

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-31 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:16:12PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:56:22 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Right, that's certainly true for the lib.*-perl packages, and I wouldn't know how we should rename them in a sane way. In the worst case that I'm looking at, I'm a little

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-31 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 09:54:49AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Steve McIntyre wrote: I think so. The package with long names tend to follow a naming policy that sort of imposes the long name... so if we put a too-short limit then we're asking them to make an

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-31 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 09:54:49AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Steve McIntyre wrote: I think so. The package with long names tend to follow a naming policy that sort of imposes the long name... so if we put a

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Metzler ametz...@downhill.at.eu.org writes: In gmane.linux.debian.devel.general Joey Hess jo...@debian.org wrote: Steve McIntyre wrote: There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) using CDs and DVDs to seed a mirror on a Windows server. If I had to chose

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-30 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:56:14AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:28:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Steve McIntyre wrote: There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) using CDs and DVDs to seed a

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-30 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Steve McIntyre wrote: I think so. The package with long names tend to follow a naming policy that sort of imposes the long name... so if we put a too-short limit then we're asking them to make an exception in the naming policy. So what's a reasonable name length limit

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-30 Thread gregor herrmann
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:56:22 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Right, that's certainly true for the lib.*-perl packages, and I wouldn't know how we should rename them in a sane way. In the worst case that I'm looking at, I'm a little surprised by the names here on two fronts:

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: Steve McIntyre wrote: There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) using CDs and DVDs to seed a mirror on a Windows server. If I had to chose between that working, and not needing to worry about filename lengths, I'd choose the

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-28 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, some technical facts about name lenght in Debian ISO 9660 images: Raphael Hertzog wrote: What happens if you try to put too-long filenames on the CD with Joliet enabled? libisofs, which produces the Debian i386 and amd64 images, truncates oversized Joliet names. Collisions get resolved by

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-28 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 28.03.2011 11:23, schrieb Thomas Schmitt: Test reports from reading such an ISO image by a real Windows machine would be interesting ... :) E.g. with a file name of 100 characters: xorriso -as mkisofs -o test.iso -J -joliet-long -graft-points \

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-28 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: xorriso -as mkisofs -o test.iso -J -joliet-long -graft-points \ /012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234 5678901234567890123456789=/some/file/on/disk Didn't worked over here with an uptodate Windows XP. It

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-28 Thread Andreas Metzler
In gmane.linux.debian.devel.general Joey Hess jo...@debian.org wrote: Steve McIntyre wrote: There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) using CDs and DVDs to seed a mirror on a Windows server. If I had to chose between that working, and not needing to worry about

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-28 Thread J.A. Bezemer
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Olaf van der Spek wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, John H. Robinson, IV jaq...@debian.org wrote: Olaf van der Spek wrote: That's not our problem, is it? It is, if we are trying to be as compatible as possible. Compatible with what?

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:28:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Steve McIntyre wrote: There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) using CDs and DVDs to seed a mirror on a Windows server. If I had to chose between that working,

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-26 Thread gregor herrmann
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:56:14 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: We already have arbitrary limits on filename length (~200 bytes or so on RockRidge), even before this. I'm just proposing to lower them for a common use case. Do we really care about supporting *very* long names here? I think so.

MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hey folks, I've noticed a problem recently in the archive when building CDs, aggravated to a certain extent by the newer source formats. Some of the filenames in the archive are getting *very* long, and this is causing issues. As a matter of course, we build CDs with RockRidge and Joliet support

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 02:17:06PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hey folks, I've noticed a problem recently in the archive when building CDs, aggravated to a certain extent by the newer source formats. Some of the filenames in the archive are getting *very* long, and this is causing issues. As a

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 02:17:06PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: Debian LibreOffice Maintainers debian-openoff...@lists.debian.org openoffice.org Dead. Any anything there is just transitional packages you need tor squeeze-wheezy upgrades, so need to stay. Is libreoffice also affected?

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 03:50:32PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: Hi, On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 02:17:06PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: Debian LibreOffice Maintainers debian-openoff...@lists.debian.org openoffice.org Dead. Any anything there is just transitional packages you need tor

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Joey Hess
Steve McIntyre wrote: I've noticed a problem recently in the archive when building CDs, aggravated to a certain extent by the newer source formats. Some of the filenames in the archive are getting *very* long, and this is causing issues. As a matter of course, we build CDs with RockRidge and

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:52:35AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Steve McIntyre wrote: I've noticed a problem recently in the archive when building CDs, aggravated to a certain extent by the newer source formats. Some of the filenames in the archive are getting *very* long, and this is causing

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: users. The problem is that Joliet has a limit for filename length (64 characters), and technically we're already past that length. From genisoimage.1: 64 is quite low. Is there no way to use longer filenames that still

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 04:48:12PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: users. The problem is that Joliet has a limit for filename length (64 characters), and technically we're already past that length. From genisoimage.1: 64

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 05:13:03PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: 64 is quite low. Is there no way to use longer filenames that still works on all required platforms? To do that, we'll have to switch to a different

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Joey Hess
Steve McIntyre wrote: There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) using CDs and DVDs to seed a mirror on a Windows server. If I had to chose between that working, and not needing to worry about filename lengths, I'd choose the latter. Is it possible to provide Joliet

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 03:27:57PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: The longest is: libreoffice-presentation-minimizer_1.0.3+LibO3.3.1-1_kfreebsd-amd64.deb at 71. Good, then any bug against openoffice.org is not needed, as that obviously will be + wontfix wheezy-ignore, because it simply

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: 64 is quite low. Is there no way to use longer filenames that still works on all required platforms? To do that, we'll have to switch to a different filesystem. That's a possibility (maybe UDF), but there's probably even

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: Why's that? Isn't UDF widely supported? Implementations often widely differ in their limitations - see the Wikipedia page for more details. The suggested way to make a safe UDF DVD is often along the lines of use the

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Olaf van der Spek wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: Why's that? Isn't UDF widely supported? Implementations often widely differ in their limitations - see the Wikipedia page for more details. The suggested way to make