Re: status of technical committee chair vote

2006-02-21 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060221 02:33]: > Bdale, Manoj, Andi, could you please send in your votes for committee chair > so we can close this out? I'm fine with the latest status of the proposal, and you taking the chair now. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ s

Re: Tech ctte tweaks

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes ("Re: Tech ctte tweaks"): > I don't really care if we go about this formally or informally. I don't > care if it involves a "stepping down" step or not. But I do think that > Ian's opinion -- as the current chairman -- carries a lot of weight on > this issue. I think the right

Technical committee chair rotation, draft resolution

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
I hereby propose the resolution below and call for a vote (and obviously, vote in favour). WHEREAS 1. The Technical Committee feels that additional dynamism would be achieved by rotating the post of Chairman of the Committee. 2. There are certain constitutional issues with simply voting on a

Re: Tech ctte tweaks

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes ("Re: Tech ctte tweaks"): > As such, I'm in favor of having the chair propose such resolutions early and > calling for votes, and dispense directly with any ambiguities regarding > advisory opinions. That's a reasonable way forward, yes. Note that it doesn't have to be the c

Re: Technical committee chair rotation, draft resolution

2006-02-21 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 12:20:11PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > THE COMMITTEE AND ITS MEMBERS RESOLVE AS FOLLOWS > 3. The intent is that the Chairmanship should rotate through the >committee in the following order, >Ian Jackson[Feb / Aug] >Steve Langasek [Mar / Sep] >

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
I hereby propose the following motion and call for a vote. WHEREAS 1. ndiswrapper's purpose is to allow non-free drivers to be used. 2. While there may be cases where ndiswrapper can be used with a DFSG-free driver, these are exceptional. 3. The Committee is by and large satisfied with the i

Re: Technical committee chair rotation, draft resolution

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes ("Re: Technical committee chair rotation, draft resolution"): > Augh, we just agreed on a rotation, why a new one now? Downside to the > above: it schedules newbies and oldbies together rather than interspersing > them (Me then Andy; Bdale then Ian). Your resolution doesn't

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
I miswrote `achieved' as `required'. So I withdraw my previous motion and propose the following instead, and call for a vote. WHEREAS 1. ndiswrapper's purpose is to allow non-free drivers to be used. 2. While there may be cases where ndiswrapper can be used with a DFSG-free driver, these are

Re: Tech ctte tweaks

2006-02-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
(0) vote for new chair: 1) Steve Langasek 2) Bdale Garbee 3) Andreas Barth 4) Raul Miller 5) Anthony Towns 6) Ian Jackson (1) Rotating the tech ctte chair I vote yes (2) Requiring an implementation of proposals I vote further discussion. I am concerned that this may limit l

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 21 Feb 2006, Ian Jackson verbalised: > I hereby propose the following motion and call for a vote. I vote against the motion outlined below. manoj > > WHEREAS > > 1. ndiswrapper's purpose is to allow non-free drivers to be used. > > 2. While there may be cases where ndiswrappe

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 21 Feb 2006, Steve Langasek verbalised: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 10:40:06AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 05:36:13PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: >>> I requested that ndiswrapper and ndiswrapper-modules-i386 be moved >>> to contrib. >> While I would personally rather se

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 2/21/06, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I miswrote `achieved' as `required'. So I withdraw my previous motion > and propose the following instead, and call for a vote. > > WHEREAS > > 1. ndiswrapper's purpose is to allow non-free drivers to be used. > > 2. While there may be cases whe

Re: Technical committee chair rotation, draft resolution

2006-02-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 2/21/06, Anthony Towns wrote: > Augh, we just agreed on a rotation, why a new one now? Downside to the > above: it schedules newbies and oldbies together rather than interspersing > them (Me then Andy; Bdale then Ian). Because the dates on the original proposal were already invalidated by our

Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 2/21/06, Margarita Manterola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/20/06, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a specific counter example, consider > > http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > which is a project porting a windows driver to linux. This port > > appears to

Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes ("Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main"): > It looks to me as if the sequence of events was: > > 1 "open source" windows driver available (can be used with ndiswrapper) > 2 someone ports windows driver to linux > 3 linux driver available > > These events are sequential, and event 3

Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 2/21/06, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raul Miller writes ("Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main"): > > It looks to me as if the sequence of events was: > > > > 1 "open source" windows driver available (can be used with ndiswrapper) > > 2 someone ports windows driver to linux > > 3 linux d

Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes ("Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main"): > On 2/21/06, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Was the open source windows driver ever available as a Debian > > package ? It seems clear to me that anything which requires you to > > install non-Debian stuff on your machine belongs

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes ("Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main"): > On 2/21/06, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I miswrote `achieved' as `required'. So I withdraw my previous motion > > and propose the following instead, and call for a vote. > > > > WHEREAS > > > > 1. ndiswrapper's purpose is

Re: Technical committee chair rotation, draft resolution

2006-02-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:11:08PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Anthony Towns writes ("Re: Technical committee chair rotation, draft > resolution"): > > Augh, we just agreed on a rotation, why a new one now? Downside to the > > above: it schedules newbies and oldbies together rather than interspers

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 2/21/06, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we think they're not technical issues then we should issue an > opinion anyway, IMO. In practice in past when we've punted things > away saying `this is not a technical issue' no-one else has stepped up > to provide an opinion. So we could s