Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 28/10/13 at 18:21 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@master.debian.org writes: Also, since all alternative init implementations under consideration do support sysv-style init scripts, I think that whatever init system we (well, you, the TC) end up choosing, the

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:22:14PM +, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:20:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Right. Whichever init system we pick, I do expect the next step to be to drop the requirement to maintain sysvinit backwards-compatibility; While I'm not sure

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Helmut Grohne
TL;DR: Thoughts on using systemd .service files on non-Linux ports. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:20:10AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Note that there are two options that could be explored, to remove the need to maintain init scripts: - generating sysvinit scripts from systemd service files or

Bug#727708: FYI: upstream’s take

2013-10-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [131029 03:15]: Michael Stapelberg stapelb...@debian.org writes: my apologies for not replying to any messages within the thread, but I think my mail is orthogonal to the other messages. Lennart Poettering wrote about the systemd upstream point of view

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Paul, On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:43:44PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: And, since I've been informed that this was basically a contentless bug, I'd like to frame the technical half of the question better: Thanks for bringing this question to the Technical Committee. It's been on my todo

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Bruno Melo
Hi guys, I'm just an user. Well, can I make a suggestion? We know systemd can't run on kFreeBSD and because of it Gnome can't run on kFreeBSD too, but what about Cinnamon? Cinnamon is dependent on systemd? 1- If not, so Cinnamon + good apps can make kFreeBSD usable. So replacing Gnome by Cinnamon

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:05:25PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Hi Paul, Good afternoon, Steve, Thanks for bringing this question to the Technical Committee. It's been on my todo list to raise this myself, with the intent of getting a TC decision before the end of this year. With only two

Bug#727708: FYI: upstream’s take

2013-10-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:51:37AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [131029 03:15]: Michael Stapelberg stapelb...@debian.org writes: my apologies for not replying to any messages within the thread, but I think my mail is orthogonal to the other messages.

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 28/10/13 20:14, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: For those who haven't seen it, Lennart has posted some of his comments about all this on G+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf And here is the reply from Gentoo developer Patrick Lauer:

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes: On 28/10/13 20:14, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: For those who haven't seen it, Lennart has posted some of his comments about all this on G+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf And here is the reply from