Bug#727708: Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-04 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 02/11/13 04:11, Russ Allbery wrote: I think the right way to put this is that systemd has significant development resources behind it and is working in fairly close cooperation with both kernel developers and GNOME developers to make available new kernel functionality and to provide

Bug#727708: Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes: Regarding the development force behind each project, I find the following comparison at Ohloh very illustrative https://www.ohloh.net/p/compare?project_0=openrcproject_1=upstartproject_2=systemd This isn't really a fair comparison since

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-04 Thread Peter Dolding
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Peter Dolding oia...@gmail.com writes: The one property about systemd unit files that is extremely good is there are no multi line commands. Every command is a single line. Yes, that's exactly what I think is obnoxious. I

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Peter Dolding oia...@gmail.com writes: ExecStartPre=, ExecStartPost= can be written many times. ExecStartPre= rm somewhere ExecStartPre= touch somewhere That really doesn't help, because... In fact lot of cases I see one line entries in systemd and I see bad form. Unless one line has

Bug#727708: Problems with upstarts event model

2013-11-04 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Hi, I just want to raise one issue that I think has not been adequately addressed by any of the position statements (it has unfortunately been deleted from the upstart page and been trimmed down a lot on the systemd page): I think an important drawback of upstart is the idea of treating

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-04 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On 10/31/2013 09:51 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: You can, of course, be disciplined about this when writing systemd helper scripts by always exernalizing the shell script into a separate file, but I really like that upstart lets me inline trivial shell fragments without worrying about that while