Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:29:35AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de writes: this hits exactly the core of the problem: The minimum supported Linux kernel version in glibc is currently 2.6.16, released in 2006. And I'd trust glibc upstreamt that this requirement

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de writes: The holding back upstream packages would only be true for Linux-only software that additionally chooses to drop the non-kdbus codepaths. As I already explained, software like glib2.0 and libdbus that supports non-Linux kernels will anyway have to continue

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 09:38:56PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:29:35AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de writes: this hits exactly the core of the problem: The minimum supported Linux kernel version in glibc is currently 2.6.16,

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes: We release about every 2 years, but the kernel we have in wheezy was already about 16 months old when wheezy was released. Jessie will freeze in november 2014, so that the kernel will then be about 3 years old. I'm going to assume that the release team is

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de writes: this hits exactly the core of the problem: The minimum supported Linux kernel version in glibc is currently 2.6.16, released in 2006. And I'd trust glibc upstreamt that this requirement won't suddenly be bumped to a quite recent version. Is there any

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi Russ, Le mardi 17 décembre 2013 à 12:26 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit : Is there actually any implementation other than glib2.0 and libdbus that would be affected by a switch to kdbus? This is an interesting question. Josselin, is GNOME (for example) likely to acquire a hard dependency

Next Debian CTTE Meeting is at date -d 'Thu Dec 19 18:00:00 UTC 2013' on #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org

2013-12-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Don Armstrong wrote: From everyone who has responded, it looks like the 19th is the best day. date -d 'Thu Dec 19 18:00:00 UTC 2013' As no one has responded to tell me otherwise, I'm rescheduling our next meeting to: date -d 'Thu Dec 19 18:00:00 UTC 2013' I'll update

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Sam Hartman
Adrian == Adrian Bunk b...@stusta.de writes: Adrian Yes, it is speculation that other new features (or even Adrian bugfixes) might appear in the kernel and might become Adrian mandatory in systemd between jessie and jessie+1. Adrian But that is a risk, and it is a risk that is

Re: Next Debian CTTE Meeting is at date -d 'Thu Dec 19 18:00:00 UTC 2013' on #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org

2013-12-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 02:54:50PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Don Armstrong wrote: From everyone who has responded, it looks like the 19th is the best day. date -d 'Thu Dec 19 18:00:00 UTC 2013' As no one has responded to tell me otherwise, I'm rescheduling our next

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org writes: I'm confused, when I hear you say that this risk is unique to the systemd option and not shared by other options. I would understand that statement if we thought we could avoid systemd entirely. It sounds like we may be able to avoid systemd as pid 1