Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 01/19/2014 08:15 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: How mature a system is and how well-developed in Debian are relevant factors If we're making a competition of how long has an given init system been in Debian, then for sure, OpenRC looses. However, on all the tests I did, I see no major issue with

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Keith Packard writes (Re: Bug#727708: init system discussion status): I feel that having the Debian community endorse software where a CLA is involved will tacitly encourage developers to enter into those agreements so that their work can be published as widely as possible. I can see the force

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Nikolaus Rath writes (Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all): Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Thomas, does OpenRC provide a means for do non-forking daemon startup ? [...] Ian, quoting from your previous evaluation of upstart

Bug#727708: On diversity

2014-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes (Bug#727708: On diversity): On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 01:17:13AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: I think (a) and (b) are pretty non-controversial. (c) and (d) are required if we want to deal with new GNOME stuff and anything other than systemd probably, and don't seem very

Bug#727708: Thoughts on Init System Debate

2014-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes (Bug#727708: Thoughts on Init System Debate): On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 08:41:32PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: ... I should point out that I have not extensively examined openrc, nor have I taken into account planned features and development in either systemd or upstart

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Goirand writes (Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all): On 01/19/2014 08:15 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: * The daemon does not double-fork; it runs in the foreground of of its initial process. Something like start-stop-daemon then? :) Err, no, becase... See

Bug#727708: Thoughts on Init System Debate

2014-01-20 Thread Andres Freund
On 2014-01-19 23:18:26 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: As you say that planned features or development could sway your opinion: are there particular features that you have in mind, here? For instance, correcting upstart's socket-based activation interface is on the upstart roadmap in the jessie

Bug#727708: TC endorsement, political aspects

2014-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Zini writes (Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian): On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 03:26:31PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: The main objections to some of the upstreams' behaviours are, basically, they don't care what anyone else thinks, and are trying to impose their will by

Bug#727708:

2014-01-20 Thread piruthiviraj natarajan
I think people should read this from Lennart about some basic insights of what to look for in a Init system which has not been discussed in this thread. https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/ip8e1DqJdxT

Bug#727708: TC endorsement, political aspects

2014-01-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Ian Jackson wrote: Enrico Zini writes (Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian): I would imagine that among these four options, the middle two would be far less polarising: - we will use systemd, and way to go Lennart! - we will use systemd, although we are concerned about

Bug#727708: Thoughts on Init System Debate

2014-01-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi Ian, Le lundi, 20 janvier 2014, 11.34:35 Ian Jackson a écrit : Don, seriously, if there is something I could go and implement or fix in upstart that would convince you, that would be a lot easier and more fun than arguing on the internet. It might also demonstrate how easy it is to work

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-20 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [140120 12:27]: Keith Packard writes (Re: Bug#727708: init system discussion status): I feel that having the Debian community endorse software where a CLA is involved will tacitly encourage developers to enter into those agreements so that

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:23:39AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Keith Packard writes (Re: Bug#727708: init system discussion status): I feel that having the Debian community endorse software where a CLA is involved will tacitly encourage developers to enter into those agreements so that their

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-20 Thread Keith Packard
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: I would prefer to see more neutral wording, something to the effect of: I didn't mean that the TC decision should mention the CLA. I don't think that's an appropriate place for this kind of statement. -- keith.pack...@intel.com pgpUSSrYvh1Wi.pgp

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-20 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Nikolaus Rath writes (Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all): Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Thomas, does OpenRC provide a means for do non-forking daemon startup ? [...] Ian, quoting from your

Bug#727708: Thoughts on Init System Debate

2014-01-20 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Andres Freund and...@anarazel.de writes: On 2014-01-19 23:18:26 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: As you say that planned features or development could sway your opinion: are there particular features that you have in mind, here? For instance, correcting upstart's socket-based activation interface

Bug#727708: TC endorsement, political aspects

2014-01-20 Thread Bdale Garbee
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I think this is a good idea. I have written a draft paragraph about the Canonical upstart CLA, in my most recent message to Keith. At the risk of feeding the horrible energy beast I think I need to try to propose some wording about these

Bug#727708: Thoughts on Init System Debate

2014-01-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 07:09:51PM -0800, Nikolaus Rath wrote: Andres Freund and...@anarazel.de writes: On 2014-01-19 23:18:26 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: As you say that planned features or development could sway your opinion: are there particular features that you have in mind, here?