Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Aug 31 2015, Sam Hartman wrote: > OK. > I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone now who needs more time before > a CFV. Please don't forget that if anyone needs more time, they can always vote FD. Best, -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id:

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Keith Packard
Sam Hartman writes: > I ask you to retain the following two paragraphs that explain why we > prefer option D should we adopt this: >The Technical Committee has reviewed the underlying technical >issues around this question and has resolved that Debian will be >

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Keith" == Keith Packard writes: Keith> Do you think the reworded version is easier to understand in Keith> the context of the overall process? That was my major concern Keith> here. I think a bit. My big question is whether you think we'd still be able to

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Keith Packard
Sam Hartman writes: > I think a bit. > My big question is whether you think we'd still be able to call for a > vote tomorrow if we make this change. I think the change has real benefit beyond simple clarification by immediately adopting Charles' changes to policy without

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Sam Hartman
OK. I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone now who needs more time before a CFV.

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Keith Packard
Sam Hartman writes: > OK. > I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone now who needs more time before > a CFV. I'd also love to hear back from Charles about the updated D proposal, and whether that helps him understand what it means. -- -keith signature.asc Description:

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-08-31 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Sam Hartman wrote: > The biggest question I have is how much time do we expect TC members > to have available for the TC. > > i think we've been having a lot of trouble that seems like it has a > high probability of being related to insufficient bandwidth in TC > members. So,

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-08-31 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Don" == Don Armstrong writes: Don> I think attendance at meetings as well as participation in Don> threads, drafting, and voting is a requirement. Don> I think that this amounts to between 1-6 hours a month of work; Don> hopefully towards the low end of

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 01:57:21PM -0700, Keith Packard a écrit : > Sam Hartman writes: > > > OK. > > I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone now who needs more time before > > a CFV. > > I'd also love to hear back from Charles about the updated D proposal, > and whether

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 30 août 2015, 22.01:27 Keith Packard a écrit : > Thinking about this tonight, I've rewritten option D as AB + patch. > > As you can see, this makes packages shipping menu and .desktop files > for the same application buggy, makes all packages using the Debian > Menu System buggy, and

TC delays (was: Bug#741573: Menu Policy and Consensus)

2015-08-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
(Dropping the bug, this doesn't relate to it) Le vendredi, 28 août 2015, 14.38:50 Nikolaus Rath a écrit : > What I mean is that for more than one year, any vote on this bug was > prevented by the TC waiting for any one of its members to catch up on > the discussion, articulate his concerns, write

Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 30 août 2015, 13.01:36 Nikolaus Rath a écrit : > On Aug 30 2015, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Nikolaus> Surely there is no need to single out the traditional > > Nikolaus> menu as something that must not be used. It's > > Nikolaus> sufficient if policy

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:01:27PM -0700, Keith Packard a écrit : > > Thinking about this tonight, I've rewritten option D as AB + patch. > OPTION D': > > Using its power under §6.1.1 to decide on any matter of technical > policy, and its power under §6.1.5 to offer advice: > >1. The

Re: TC delays

2015-08-31 Thread Matthew Vernon
On 31/08/15 08:39, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: - issues not having a "mentor" within the committee; I'd like us to try pursuing the latter idea: for each topic submitted to us, we'd put one of us in charge of "making sure the issue keeps moving": reformulating, pinging, leading, etc. That

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-08-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Package: tech-ctte Severity: minor User: tech-c...@packages.debian.org Hi all, following up after our latest tech-ctte IRC meeting [0], I propose to hereby coordinate our decision-making process towards proposing two candidate TC members to the DPL for a term starting in January next year. I've

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-08-31 Thread Sam Hartman
I'd like to have a discussion about what we want from TC members before we make a call for nominations. The biggest question I have is how much time do we expect TC members to have available for the TC. i think we've been having a lot of trouble that seems like it has a high probability of being

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-31 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Keith" == Keith Packard writes: Keith> Thinking about this tonight, I've rewritten option D as AB + Keith> patch. Keith> As you can see, this makes packages shipping menu and Keith> .desktop files for the same application buggy, makes all Keith>

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