Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-14 Thread Cory
On 02/14/2014 01:52 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 07:49:32PM +0100, Andres Freund wrote: I am not so sure it's there. The current version runs without systemd but doesn't support everything Based on what? There is only one new interface in logind between v204 and v208, an

Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-14 Thread Cory
On 02/14/2014 12:14 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 04:59:34PM +0100, Andres Freund wrote: On 2014-02-14 15:46:18 +, Ian Jackson wrote: Ansgar Burchardt writes ("Bug#727708: init system coupling etc."): Don't you mean "drop GNOME, KDE and others"? It's not only GNOME that

Bug#727708: How much of L vs T is still relevant in light of the Ubuntu announcement?

2014-02-14 Thread Cory
On 02/14/2014 09:58 AM, James Hogarth wrote: Hi guys, So in light of the new announcement[1] how much of L vs T is still relevant? Upstart is obviously going to be pretty much dead in the water now given this - after who is going to seriously contribute to a deprecated project CLA or no? It wo

Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2014-01-04 Thread Cory
On 01/04/2014 12:07 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: Cory writes: If Debian go's with systemd they need to use systemd 207 as its supported in RHEL 7 so we know it's going to be supported for around 10 years also why does Debian have systemd 204 in it's repos?? systemd 207 is way bette

Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2014-01-04 Thread Cory
On 01/04/2014 11:21 AM, Steven Chamberlain wrote: Commenting as a porter, the decision on default init system might affect me something like this: If GNU/Linux defaults to Upstart, it's likely in porters' interest to get that working as well as possible so we can keep consistency with Linux arch

Bug#727708: loose ends for init system decision

2013-12-30 Thread Cory
On 12/30/2013 04:31 PM, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: 4. Conclusions I previously argued that much of the benefit of a new init system comes from when we can stop maintaining init scripts. I still believe that, but after thinking more about the cul