Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]

2013-11-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 06:49:34PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Steve Langasek writes ("Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position > statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]"): > > I agree with all of the technical critiques here, I just don't see that this >

Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]

2013-11-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes ("Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]"): > I agree with all of the technical critiques here, I just don't see that this > relatively minor issue, which can be documented and worked around (and > ul

Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]

2013-11-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 05:39:15PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Steve Langasek writes ("Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position > statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]"): > > I agree. It would still require some fiddling to make 'expect stop' work &

Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]

2013-11-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes ("Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]"): > I agree. It would still require some fiddling to make 'expect stop' work > together with strace anyway, since upstart only cares about SIGSTOP rais

Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]

2013-11-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 04:31:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Miroslaw Baran writes ("Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position > statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]"): > > You wrote: > > > One non-feature of upstart which I happen to care strongly ab

Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]

2013-11-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Miroslaw Baran writes ("Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]"): > You wrote: > > One non-feature of upstart which I happen to care strongly about is its > > use of ptrace(2) to figure out what a job is doing. This de

Bug#727708: Value of reading other's position statements [was: systemd vs. whatever]

2013-11-01 Thread Miroslaw Baran
Dear Mr. Urlichs, You wrote: > One non-feature of upstart which I happen to care strongly about is its > use of ptrace(2) to figure out what a job is doing. This destroys any > attempt to just use "strace foo" as the job, if one really needs to > figure out what a piece of software is doing wrong